Evgenia, what next?

Evgenia, what next?

Postby GoFigure » Sun May 06, 2018 9:50 am

Rumors say, that Evgenia Medvedeva is leaving Team Eteri for Brian Orser and that she will represent Armenia in the future.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby chuckiem » Sun May 06, 2018 3:01 pm

I've heard about Evgenia leaving Eteri and going to Orser, but nothing about her skating for Armenia.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Maleeva » Sun May 06, 2018 10:52 pm

Her father is Armenian so I guess that is possible.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Andy » Mon May 07, 2018 6:29 am

If this is true, I think she will need to sit one season out - provided the Russian Federation is willing to release her.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby bumphystars » Mon May 07, 2018 8:37 pm

It has been reported on Twitter today that she is leaving Russia and moving to Toronto to train with Orser. Yahoo, I say. This is a great move for her, IMO, and I hope it means she will work with a good choreographer. So much untapped potential there.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby chuckiem » Mon May 07, 2018 9:37 pm

Evgenia herself has said she will continue to skate for Russia, but will train in Canada.

Polina Tsurskaya has also left Tutberidze and will train under Buyanova, current coach of Masha Sotskova. Yay!! These are my two favorite Russian ladies---and the two tallest!!
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Virginia » Tue May 08, 2018 4:42 am

This raises all kinds of interesting questions in my mind.

Given that Russian world-class athletes are very much controlled by their sports federations (and financed by them), I wonder how she got permission from the RSF to move abroad and train under a non-Russian coach. (I remember how Lipnitskaya had to get special permission to leave Eteri for Alexei Urmanov, a sharp contrast to how things work in the West. No American, Canadian or even Japanese skater would have to get permission for a coaching change from their federation.)

I wonder if her decision to do so will harm her standing with the federation and hurt her competition assignments or her scores from Russian judges.

And I wonder who will be footing the bills. Will the RSF finance her move to Canada and the considerable expenses associated with training in Toronto?
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby chuckiem » Tue May 08, 2018 5:45 am

Evgenia is a two-time World, European and GPF champion and Olympic individual silver medalist. If she wants to train in Canada, the Russian fed can say nyet---but it's not in their best interest to do so. If Evgenia can continue to win medals for Russia while training in Canada, that's a good thing. If she doesn't win as often as she once did, that is OK too, because Russia has so many excellent young ladies coming up under Eteri's tutelage. So it works out OK both ways.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Maleeva » Tue May 08, 2018 10:42 am

So it is true she is going to Orser and representing Russia. Article below:

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/05/07/275657578
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Andy » Wed May 09, 2018 6:38 am

It sounds very exciting. Best wishes to Medvedeva, first of all for her health! I am looking forward to seeing a new, re-born Eugenia.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Dragonlady » Sat May 12, 2018 1:29 am

I’m looking forward to better choreography for Eugenia and better speed and flow.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby GoFigure » Mon May 14, 2018 3:08 am

Dragonlady wrote:I’m looking forward to better choreography for Eugenia and better speed and flow.

Exactly. Now that she has David Wilson, Shae-Lynn Bourne etc. to work with, so no more miming and grand mal seizure twitching, I hope.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Ellen » Mon May 14, 2018 7:24 am

GoFigure wrote: no more miming and grand mal seizure twitching, I hope.


Please explain what you mean by "miming and grand mal seizure twitching". I do not understand what you mean here.
Where, in which programs of Evgenia you watched that.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby sms29s66 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:04 pm

Ellen wrote:
GoFigure wrote: no more miming and grand mal seizure twitching, I hope.


Please explain what you mean by "miming and grand mal seizure twitching". I do not understand what you mean here.
Where, in which programs of Evgenia you watched that.


Her overacting during the performance and over reacting afterwards. Her "Extremely Loud..." program was one example.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Andy » Tue May 15, 2018 6:44 am

There is a limit to the amount of times in which staying with your mouth half open can be considered 'interpreting the music'... :roll:
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby gnuwon » Tue May 15, 2018 5:11 pm

Who usually pays for a coaching situation like this......the skater or the association?
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Virginia » Wed May 16, 2018 4:14 am

Gnuwon wrote:
Who usually pays for a coaching situation like this......the skater or the association?


The answer depends upon which country you're talking about.

In Russia and China (and North Korea), the federation handles expenses -- ice time, equipment, off-ice training, medical and training services, coaching, costumes, even living expenses. Because they're footing the bill, that gives the federation (which is effectively an arm of the government) a huge amount of control over who works with which coaches and choreographers, who gets assigned to which competitions, music and costume choices, even assigning partners in pairs and dance. The athletes are effectively salaried employees of the state, and follow orders as employees do everywhere (even if those orders include taking performance-enhancing drugs, as recent evidence has alleged). The athletes don't have to worry about juggling their finances or other off-ice details, but can concentrate on training and improving their performance.

This stands in huge contrast to the rest of the world, where the sport largely operates on a free-market basis. Skaters (or their parents) are responsible for the bills, but they can choose their own coaches and partners as well as music, choreography, costumes, training locations, etc. The national federations have much less control: they can suggest things, but their power is mostly limited to selecting who goes to which competitions (and perhaps who the judges might favor or promote).

Given the stark differences between these two approaches, I'm intrigued by how Evgenia's move to a Western coach will be handled financially. Will she pay the bills herself (she does tour and so presumably has an income source, plus she probably has corporate sponsorship deals), or with the RSF continue to fund her training with a foreign coach over whom they exert no control?

An article posted online recently by Phil Hersh, one of the best-known skating journalists, addressed this very issue. It leaves the impression that these details are still being worked out: http://www.globetrottingbyphiliphersh.com/home/2018/5/9/figure-skating-olympics-russia-canada-orser-medvedeva

For a top Russian skater to move abroad and train with a Western coach is pretty much unprecedented in my memory (and I'm old enough to remember back to the '80s). After the demise of the Soviet Union, when state support for sports abruptly ended, a lot of Russian coaches were forced to move abroad in search of rinks and a living wage, and a few skaters followed them. But that doesn't really happen any more since Putin began funding sports again over the last decade. Evgenia's move feels almost like a small defection, and I suspect it's not winning her any popularity in the RSF. I'm very interested to see how it works out for her.
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby gnuwon » Wed May 16, 2018 5:40 pm

Interesting......thank you Virginia. Would an association expect to get any money back from the skater if they went on to be successful and were able to generate income of some sort?
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Re: Evgenia, what next?

Postby Virginia » Wed May 16, 2018 10:11 pm

In the West? No. A skater would be expected to allow their federation to use their image for promotional purposes, and might well be asked to skate some events for free or for a token payment to benefit the federation. But I doubt money would change hands from skater to federation.

Coaches are a different story. When a skater signs with a coach in the West, a percentage is usually written into the contract guaranteeing the coach a small slice of the skater's professional earnings.

But in a country like Russia or China? I've no idea if money changes hands that way. And if it does, it is probably kept very, very quiet.
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