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chuckiem
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| Quote: | | Actually, GP assignments are assigned based on the results from the previous Worlds, ISU rating and Personal best, also medalists from previous JGPF and JW get one event. If spots remain available after all the skaters who were guarantied 1 or 2 assignments got them, then the congress decides either to give the skaters who were guaranteed 1 event a second event, but if there are more such skaters than remaining events, often they invite the next best rated skaters who did not get any events, because that's more fair. |
That's not the way it works.
First, each host announces the "host picks" in each discipline. Phaneuf, Zhang and Flatt were chosen for one assignment in this category.
Then the hosts draw for selection order of the seeds and then pick the seeds (may be predetermined to some extent, based on the preferences of the top seeds). This is where Phaneuf received her second assignment.
For each of the remaining categories, the hosts draw for selection order.
Next, each host MUST select two skaters in each discipline who finished in the top 12 at Worlds. This is where Flatt received her second assignment and Nagasu both of hers.
Then they select skaters from the top 24 on the Seasons Best and/or ISU Ranking list, or JGPF/JW medalists who hadn't been top 12 at Worlds. This is where Wagner, Czisny, Zhang, Zawadzki and Dobbs received assignments.
Once all the guarantees are satisfied, the hosts then select from skaters in the top 70 on the Seasons Best list. They do not have to pick the skaters in any particular order. This is where reputation and resume figure in. Dobbs had received one assignment as due to being 23rd on the Seasons Best list, but she didn't get another assignment; Zawadzki was guaranteed one assignment as the JW silver medalist, but she did get another assignment perhaps based on her high score at JW. Gilles, Musademba, Szmiett, Lacoste and Samson didn't get assignments in any other category, and they got only one assignment each in this final category. |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
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It's been reported that the Beiers (GER) have split. They are currently scheduled to compete at Skate Canada.
It's also been reported that Carolina Hermann (Herrmann/Hermann (GER)) is on ice partner search. |
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Diego
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Yu-Na Kim has announced that she will skip GP events this year, but will compete at World Championships in 2011  |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| chuckiem wrote: | | First, each host announces the "host picks" in each discipline. Phaneuf, Zhang and Flatt were chosen for one assignment in this category. |
Phaneuf is a seeded skater who received two placements because of finishing in the top 6 at Worlds. Flatt received two assignments because of her top 12 finish at Worlds. Both women earned both of their assignments and did not receive them out of the generousity of their federations. Regardless of whether their home federations picked them for their home country events or not, both of these skaters would have received two assignments regardless. |
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nowthen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| YuNa wants her world title back!!!! Though its weird because she will be the best lady in the world for 4 years as Olympic champion means more than world champion. So she would only stop being best in the world if someone else won Olympic Gold in 2014. |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady wrote: | | chuckiem wrote: | | First, each host announces the "host picks" in each discipline. Phaneuf, Zhang and Flatt were chosen for one assignment in this category. |
Phaneuf is a seeded skater who received two placements because of finishing in the top 6 at Worlds. Flatt received two assignments because of her top 12 finish at Worlds. Both women earned both of their assignments and did not receive them out of the generousity of their federations. Regardless of whether their home federations picked them for their home country events or not, both of these skaters would have received two assignments regardless. |
Host picks ALWAYS are first, followed by SEED picks (Phaneuf's category) and then WORLDS TOP 12 (Flatt's category).
The fact that Phaneuf and Flatt got host picks had nothing to do with "generosity", but in fact were obviously the result of their host countries' desire to have a drawing card at their events. Flatt is the US champion and Phaneuf, as the Canadian silver medalist, is the highest-ranked Canadian lady in Rochette's absence, and is in addition a GP seeded skater. The same is true for Mao Asada, who is also a host pick (NHK) as well as a seeded skater. |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| nowthen wrote: | | YuNa wants her world title back!!!! Though its weird because she will be the best lady in the world for 4 years as Olympic champion means more than world champion. So she would only stop being best in the world if someone else won Olympic Gold in 2014. |
The best is the one who goes to and wins Worlds in each year except the Olympic year. Yu-Na is not the first skater to go to Worlds and not win as expected. Kwan had a similar experience in 2000 when Maria Butraskaya skated lights out and won. Or Debbie Thomas winning Worlds in 1987 over Katt Witt.
Whoever wins Worlds next year will be considered the best. Nobody wins every competition. |
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lambielfan26
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: |
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The person who wins Worlds is not always considered the best.
I dont think Valova & Vasiliev were considered better than Gordeeva & Grinkov after they beat them for the World title at their final Worlds in 88, soon after getting trounced by Gordeeva & Grinkov at the Olympics and every other event the previous 2 years.
Trenary was not considered better than Ito after winning the 1990 Worlds, and even Yamaguchi wasnt neccessarily after winning the 1991 Worlds.
Sato certainly wasnt considered best in the World after winning Worlds with Baiul, Kerrigan, and Chen, the Olympic medalists all out.
Nor were Shishkova & Naumov considered best in the World after winning the Worlds in 94 missing both Gordeeva & Grinkov and Mistkutienok & Dmitriev who had dominated the Olympics.
Yagudin was definitely not yet considered the best in the World after winning 1998 Worlds with Stojko and Kulik out, and losing the LP handily to Eldredge.
Petrova & Tikhonov were not considered the best in the World after winning the 2000 Worlds.
Shen & Zhou were not considered the best in the World yet after winning the 2002 Worlds with Sale & Pelletier and Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze missing.
Lambiel was not considered best in the World after winning Worlds in 2005 which was missing a healthy Plushenko who was the sports dominant skater at the time.
Nobody really considered Meissner the best in the World after winning Worlds in 2006 which was missing both some of the top Olympic skaters and the best underaged skaters.
Pang & Tong were not considered the best in the World neccessarily after their 2006 and 2010 World titles with the Olympic Champions both years (both teams who they have still never once beaten) absent.
And even Asada now is probably not really considered the best despite winning Worlds given Kim's dominant Olympic victory and her general dominance over the last couple years. |
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Eladola
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: |
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CookooDD Ba bA!!
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lambielfan26
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Yu Na is already well beyond Urmanov and Hughes. She has set multiple WR scores, has won Worlds handily, has won the LP at Worlds 3 times, has won the GP final 3 times, and other than a couple others she was injured has mostly dominated womens skating for the last quadrennial. |
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mashi88
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| lambielfan26 wrote: | | Yu Na is already well beyond Urmanov and Hughes. She has set multiple WR scores, has won Worlds handily, has won the LP at Worlds 3 times, has won the GP final 3 times, and other than a couple others she was injured has mostly dominated womens skating for the last quadrennial. |
I am really baffled at why you think she will definitely dominate if she were not injured. It's not like her main competitor performed to her potential most of the time either. If you apply the "if" condition to Yuna, you have to apply the same for Mao. If she were healthy, she may have but it's not a given since the judges scored them pretty closely back then. It's tricky to base assumptions on hypothetical situations, so I think you can only base it on actual results. And based on that, she dominated for the last two years, not the whole quadrennial. |
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loveskating
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Diego wrote: | | Yu-Na Kim has announced that she will skip GP events this year, but will compete at World Championships in 2011 |
Oh gawd, not another Diva who does not freaking skate.
Yagudin, Plushenko, even Stojko, for example, went out there and skated.
However, I suppose its more honest to just announce than to play games with fans, not showing up for this and that. |
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Winnipeg
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| should be time to capitalize...............nothing wrong with a break to do this IMO. At least she is upfront about it so people are not disappointed at a last minute out. |
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lambielfan26
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mashi88 wrote: | | lambielfan26 wrote: | | Yu Na is already well beyond Urmanov and Hughes. She has set multiple WR scores, has won Worlds handily, has won the LP at Worlds 3 times, has won the GP final 3 times, and other than a couple others she was injured has mostly dominated womens skating for the last quadrennial. |
I am really baffled at why you think she will definitely dominate if she were not injured. It's not like her main competitor performed to her potential most of the time either. If you apply the "if" condition to Yuna, you have to apply the same for Mao. If she were healthy, she may have but it's not a given since the judges scored them pretty closely back then. It's tricky to base assumptions on hypothetical situations, so I think you can only base it on actual results. And based on that, she dominated for the last two years, not the whole quadrennial. |
Mao did not skate her best at either the 2007 or 2008 Worlds. Hence why she lost to Ando at the 2007 Worlds and nearly to an overmarked Kostner at the 2008 Worlds. Her LP at the 2007 Worlds was brilliant but her short program error was enough she didnt even quite catch Ando- who herself was considerably back of Kim already after the SP. Kim even with a horrible back injury won the short program at the 2007 Worlds and based on her skating all season "likely" would have had little problem staying in front of Ando healthy considering she could afford atleast one fall. As for the 2008 Worlds Kim even with an even worse back injury than 2008 won the long program and missed winning by a tiny margin overall. |
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harvey
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I’m devastated by Yuna’s decision to not compete in the GP series but fully understand. Even in the few practice sessions I’ve personally seen her in, she looked so far superior to most other ladies that I generally concentrated on her practice even as opposed to some of my own country’s (And my) favorites. It’s hard to explain her “Presence” just as an observer but for me it was always there.
On the other hand, after carrying the weight of her entire country on her shoulders (To paraphrase her own statements), becoming the most famous person in her country, overcoming all that pressure and winning the Olympics, and now fulfilling all the commitments that go along with such popularity, why shouldn’t she bask in her glory for a while without having to also train for competitions that would (IMHO) constitute another full time job; and The best she could accomplish would be to maintain the fame that she already has.
I’ll miss her in GP events but would have lobbied for the same decisions she made if I were her mentor.  |
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mashi88
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| lambielfan26 wrote: | | mashi88 wrote: | | lambielfan26 wrote: | | Yu Na is already well beyond Urmanov and Hughes. She has set multiple WR scores, has won Worlds handily, has won the LP at Worlds 3 times, has won the GP final 3 times, and other than a couple others she was injured has mostly dominated womens skating for the last quadrennial. |
I am really baffled at why you think she will definitely dominate if she were not injured. It's not like her main competitor performed to her potential most of the time either. If you apply the "if" condition to Yuna, you have to apply the same for Mao. If she were healthy, she may have but it's not a given since the judges scored them pretty closely back then. It's tricky to base assumptions on hypothetical situations, so I think you can only base it on actual results. And based on that, she dominated for the last two years, not the whole quadrennial. |
Mao did not skate her best at either the 2007 or 2008 Worlds. Hence why she lost to Ando at the 2007 Worlds and nearly to an overmarked Kostner at the 2008 Worlds. Her LP at the 2007 Worlds was brilliant but her short program error was enough she didnt even quite catch Ando- who herself was considerably back of Kim already after the SP. Kim even with a horrible back injury won the short program at the 2007 Worlds and based on her skating all season "likely" would have had little problem staying in front of Ando healthy considering she could afford atleast one fall. As for the 2008 Worlds Kim even with an even worse back injury than 2008 won the long program and missed winning by a tiny margin overall. |
Exactly. That's what I am saying. You're saying Kim didn't skate her best due to injuries. Mao didn't skate her best due to other reasons such as nerves. All I am saying it is not possible to know who would have won if the did skate to their potential during those years. I don't think it's fair to speculate by only applying the "if" condition to one skater while conveniently ignoring it for the other. You have to do it for both. In my opinion, for the first season, Mao had the edge. She gave it up due to her nerves both times. The second season, it was a pretty close call between the two. I remember their PCS scores was awfully close the entire season. It depended on who the judges thought performed better in that particular competition. |
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nowthen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| After Mao slipped during her triple axel in 2008 I thought she did skate her best LOL |
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nowthen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady wrote: | | nowthen wrote: | | YuNa wants her world title back!!!! Though its weird because she will be the best lady in the world for 4 years as Olympic champion means more than world champion. So she would only stop being best in the world if someone else won Olympic Gold in 2014. |
The best is the one who goes to and wins Worlds in each year except the Olympic year. Yu-Na is not the first skater to go to Worlds and not win as expected. Kwan had a similar experience in 2000 when Maria Butraskaya skated lights out and won. Or Debbie Thomas winning Worlds in 1987 over Katt Witt.
Whoever wins Worlds next year will be considered the best. Nobody wins every competition. |
I thought of winning Olympic gold like you are being voted to be the face of the best for 4 years. |
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sackie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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The GP season next year should be a great chance for some new faces to move up the ranks with some good skates. With some of the top names taking some time off, which has usually not worked out well for anyone who had tried it, there could be some nice surprises in the GP events. Some of those who should be medaling at the events do not always get off to the best start in the GP events - Laura, Carolina and Mao come to mind.
Also be interesting to see if Cynthia can keep moving forward from her 5th place at worlds or pick up at least 1 GP medal if not 2. |
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loveskating
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Winnipeg wrote: | | should be time to capitalize...............nothing wrong with a break to do this IMO. At least she is upfront about it so people are not disappointed at a last minute out. |
Well, I wish they would all go capitalize and go back to the days when they won the olympics and became famous and then stopped skating as amateurs and we got to see them in shows doing artistic things at a very high level!
I do not know where this incessent harping on staying in came from, but I have always disliked it. If the skater wants to, fine (I get the feeling V&M actually want to stay in, for example), but I have the feeling many of them are afraid to stop and I think that is sad.
So yes, she should capitalize, she achieved a lot.
But there is a danger for her or any of them staying in. For instance, Pavarotti would not go back to China because he did not think he could top the first time he did it, and I am sure that was right. He could not. Of course, the business interests wanted him to go back, but meantime, we all saw what happened to the 3 Tenors after the first or second one -- it became a joke!
Also, what happens to these "two time Olympic champs" other than G&G? Doesn't everyone dislike them, like Grishuk and Platof? Look at the awful things that were said about Plushenko, which is now part of his history!
So I'm not so sure its the wisest thing to do but I do appreciate her being honest about it. |
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