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nowthen



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily the Olympics as a whole are not an ISU event and they have no control over the opening ceremonies of an non-ISU event!! Much like the way Navka and Kostamarov skated at the closing ceremonies of the 2010 Olympics.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on folks, we've already been down the road of who should have won the Olympics. If you'd like to travel it again, please do it in the proper thread.

As to whether or not some countries run the ISU, that's like discussing block judging. Unless you have some facts, please do it somewhere else. (Like another website.)

Thank-you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See that Evgeny is off the GP list already but McLaughlin/Brubaker are still on the list for 2 events.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

never mind
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DL, judges caught cheating and subsequently suspended are facts. But the subject was countries running the ISU. Trying to use the facts from one topic in a different topic, could be stretching things a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sackie wrote:
See that Evgeny is off the GP list already but McLaughlin/Brubaker are still on the list for 2 events.


Zaretskys (retired) are still on the list for two events; and Zadorozhniuk/Verbillo (she retired), James/Coia (split) and Beknazarova/Zuev (he retired) are still listed for one event each.

The difference is that the ISU removed Plushenko because he is ineligible. The other entries are eligible to compete but haven't been formally withdrawn by their federations as yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under the rules (a new one I believe), if Brubaker found another partner soon, he can still skate in the GP's. Or am I mistaken/confused about the new rule?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you who are JWeir fans (and especially to DragonLady who's never seen him skate live), I'm very doubtful he will be competing in the GP series this season. His Twitter messages (@ www.twitter.com/johnnygweir) speak of shows in Japan for Yu-Na and in China (September) for Shen and Zhao.
He had a "Twitter chat" with fans today under the aegis of BlueFly.com and covers many areas, including cosmetics and hygiene as well as topics on needing space from Galina after the Olympics, who he thinks is the next great hope for U.S. figure skating and his middle name (it starts with G).
He's said nothing about ice time (except for working on show numbers) nor hinted at program music (which he did pre-Vancouver).
I also point out that he's "scheduled" to compete in Skate Canada and the Trophee Eric Bompard, not in Russia or Japan which he prefers. Maybe the ISU knows something we don't.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliasJohnDoe wrote:
Under the rules (a new one I believe), if Brubaker found another partner soon, he can still skate in the GP's. Or am I mistaken/confused about the new rule?


Theoretically, the new partnership could compete at Skate America as a host pick. But they'd have to make immediate, enormous progress right from the get-go because they would have to compete in US summer pair comps next month (Indy Challenge, for one) and show they were competitive. I just don't think that's in the realm of possibility.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliasJohnDoe wrote:
Under the rules (a new one I believe), if Brubaker found another partner soon, he can still skate in the GP's. Or am I mistaken/confused about the new rule?


Close but no cigar.

If a pair splits and one (or both) partners reteam with someone else, they carry forward a percentage of their ISU ranking points (50% I think) which could make them eligible for an assignment.

That said, Rockne would have had to have a partner by May 1st (the deadline for submission of names for GP consideration) in order to get an assignment for this year's GP's so that ship has sailed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Mc/B were scheduled for Skate America and that spot is now vacant; the US also has a TBA spot in Pairs for Skate America.

The US has the right to assign a host pick spot to any pair they want, and that would include Brubaker+partner----if (and that's a huge if) they had demonstrated their readiness to compete.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While hosts can put anyone they want in their home event, Brubaker and new partner would not be eligible for any other GP assignments this season. I know I should have made that clearer in my previous post.

Their situation would be similar to that of Duhamel & Buntin in 2008. D&B teamed up in late May - too late to be put on SC's list of GP skaters for that season so even though Craig carried forward points from his former partnership with Valery Marcoux. D&B were assigned to Skate Canada but they still weren't eligible for any GP assignments other than Skate Canada, but only because they teamed up too late.

Sadly, the ISU ranking points have diminishing value so by next year, Rockne's ranking will have slipped too far to ensure their assignments, although they could earn spots on their own merits as Meagan and Craig did.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to see Johnny Weir competing again next year, but if I fear he will not, i think it will be difficult for him to find the motivation to go through another year, and another fact is that it will be difficult for him to change again and become more successful. Quads are out of question definitively for him, also considering that are almost useless for everybody also the skaters who land them consistently. So what could he bring new? it could be another program like this year's?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like JW has so many opportunities from t.v. to shows to other that he is on his way to a skating-related career so why go back and compete.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JW time may have passed! Even skating as well as he did last year at the Olympics he only came 6th. The one medal he won at worlds was when others were making big mistakes and he was able to hold on for 3rd place. Even in the US he might be hard pressed to make it to another worlds.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winnipeg wrote:
Seems like a good way to 'retire' without letting people down that wanted to see him in Sochi. Now he can say he always dreamed of Sochi but the ISU stood in the way. The majority will likely not be aware nor want to be made aware of the fact that he knew ahead of time.

And, you can't blame him for wanting to skate ice shows while he can. He is smart to gain financially if possible for all those years and he does have a family to support.

Will the ISU let him skate in the opening ceremony in Sochi? I seem to recall Worlds in 96 when Kurt was going to skate an opening in Edmonton but was disallowed for some reason so he walked onto the ice and a young skater skated instead (Fedor, Ferreira or Sandhu, can't remember who).


I'm not sure the ISU has anything to say about who is in the opening ceremonies, which are produced by the host country but why in the world would the ISU not want Plushenko?

People LOVE Evegeny Plushenko! His skating is part of our lives, our memories and joys.

This is not the first time there was controversey over who won the OGM.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Russian poster said that Plushenko was on Russian TV blaming Piseev for his loss of eligibility. Plushenko has been quite vocal in his criticism of Piseev and publically supported Anton S. to replace Piseev as federation President.

Plushenko has complained bitterly about lack of funding from the Russian federation for his training expenses. There was an ongoing battle about this over the past season about what money he was to receive. Others have complained that Plushenko got far more money than anyone else and was not under-funded

Not to mention that without Plushenko at Worlds, Russia is down to one entry in the Men's event.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people expected Russia would get two spots at worlds next year because of Borodulin but then his blade broke and only Voronov was left and he bombed. Now Plushenko by himself could get Russia two spots but I think next year Borodulin could get two spots for 2012. I assume that Borodulin is going to be Russian Champ and go to worlds 2011. I mean I guess it could always be Gachinsky! Looks like Russian federation loves him already.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As expected the Zaretsky' have been removed from the entry list for the ISU Grand Prix Events.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chuckiem wrote:
Sackie said
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Canada has beaten the US the last couple of years at Worlds ( and the Olympics) in Ladies and yet we get less than half the assignements


The reason some of the US ladies get 'more respect' than Canadian ladies (Rochette and Phaneuf excepted) is they have accomplished more internationally. GP invitations are based to some extent on reputation, and unfortunately, none of Lacoste, Szmiett and Samson have built strong competition resumes.

Anyway, Canada got two spots at Worlds 2010 because Joannie placed 2nd at Worlds 2009 (Phaneuf was 15th).


Actually, GP assignments are assigned based on the results from the previous Worlds, ISU rating and Personal best, also medalists from previous JGPF and JW get one event. If spots remain available after all the skaters who were guarantied 1 or 2 assignments got them, then the congress decides either to give the skaters who were guaranteed 1 event a second event, but if there are more such skaters than remaining events, often they invite the next best rated skaters who did not get any events, because that's more fair. This system is actually quite complicated, it is very hard to understand it, so it may seem that some countries were not given enough events, but when you start counting often it turns out it is correct. I heard that some federations send the same person to the congress where the events are assigned because the rules are so complicated, that once this person has figured them out so well that he/she can calculate all the variants then this person virtually becomes irreplaceable, and goes every year, rather than sending another person, who does not navigate so well in this mess.

The fact that Rochette or Phaneuff beat american ladies doesn't help other canadian ladies, if they did not place in top 12 at WC, have low rating and low PB and did not medal at JW or JGPF.
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