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Dragonlady
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| chuckiem wrote: | | Many ice dancers have used Beatles music. It just seemed odd to me that another ice dance couple picked the exact same Beatles tune used by D/W less than 3 years ago. |
And maybe it's absolutely meaningless. They may not have been that aware of Davis & White that year. Until you mentioned it here, I wasn't aware that Davis & White skated to that music, or rather I had forgotten the program.
Maybe they just happen to like the music.
Geez V&M skated to the exact same Pink Floyd song as Del/Shoes and in the same season. This kind of stuff happens all of the time and it's meaningless. |
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Culturegeek
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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As wasabi mentioned, C/P did in fact skate in the 05/06 season together at Lake Placid, and in that season, C/P skated to The Beatles ("Yesterday"). We've seen several teams skate to Requiem for a Dream last season (Pechelat/Bourzat, Cappellini/Lannote, Domnina/Shabalin, Dube/Davison)
Of course, there's nothing wrong with being inspired by a team that came before you in the first place, or thinking you could do an interesting job on the same music. How many "Malaguena"s are their going to be? We have Wagner and Joubert so far. |
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NoJumpinBean
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Just noticed US Junior Brooklee Yan skated the WinterSun (international selection competition) in Brisbane Australia last week- listed as representing Victoria Australia- not as a guest. As she was competing in US comps earlier this year I wasn't aware that it was that easy to switch countries.
Will be interesting to see if she gets a JGP for Australia |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Culturegeek wrote: | | Of course, there's nothing wrong with being inspired by a team that came before you in the first place, or thinking you could do an interesting job on the same music. How many "Malaguena"s are their going to be? We have Wagner and Joubert so far. |
Skaters do not take program inspiration from their direct competitors. In fact, most go out of their way to avoid such comparisons in the eyes of the judges.
I wish people would stop going out of their way to read stuff into skaters' choices for music and programs. When a up and coming team works with a legend like Christopher Dean, it is quite likely that the choice of music was his or, at the very least, his suggestion. |
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Culturegeek
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Fair enough. I don't think I was implying your first point, though. |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: |
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IMO, Crone/Poirier would have been well aware of D/W's Eleanor Rigby FS. C/P had just won silver in the 2008 JW and would certainly have watched the 2008 Worlds dance competition to check out what their future competition would look like for the 2008-2009 GP series and 2009 Worlds.
Perhaps after having placed 7th at 2010 Worlds, C/P now feel they are medal contenders and are ready to reinterpret Eleanor Rigby their way and thus impress the judges with a favorable comparison to what D/W did in 2008. |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| chuckiem wrote: | | IMO, Crone/Poirier would have been well aware of D/W's Eleanor Rigby FS. C/P had just won silver in the 2008 JW and would certainly have watched the 2008 Worlds dance competition to check out what their future competition would look like for the 2008-2009 GP series and 2009 Worlds. |
You're making assumptions that have no basis in fact. D&W skated to this music in their first year as seniors while C&P were on the junior circuit. Both were in high school as well as training as elite athletes. Davis & White were a first year senior team who weren't really on people's radar internationally until they finished 7th at Worlds. It's unlikely they were aware of what every team skated to because they didn't have either the time or the inclination to follow other skaters.
Elite athletes work in a bubble. They are entirely focussed on their work, their programs and their competitions. They seldom know or care what other teams are doing because it detracts from their focus.
Just because you obsess over every little thing that American skaters do, doesn't mean that others are aware of it. As I posted earlier, until you posted it here, I wasn't aware they had skated to this music. |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady wrote: |
| chuckiem wrote: | | IMO, Crone/Poirier would have been well aware of D/W's Eleanor Rigby FS. C/P had just won silver in the 2008 JW and would certainly have watched the 2008 Worlds dance competition to check out what their future competition would look like for the 2008-2009 GP series and 2009 Worlds. |
You're making assumptions that have no basis in fact. D&W skated to this music in their first year as seniors while C&P were on the junior circuit. Both were in high school as well as training as elite athletes. Davis & White were a first year senior team who weren't really on people's radar internationally until they finished 7th at Worlds. |
I'm not assuming anything, but you are stating incorrect information as fact.
Davis/White were 19 and 20 and students at the University of Michigan in 2007 when they made their first appearance at Senior Worlds. Their Worlds 2007 music was "Polovstian Dances" (that was the same year as Domnina/Shabalin's "Polovstian Dances", BTW), and they finished 7th, just one place below Virtue/Moir.
By finishing 7th in their first Worlds in 2007, D/W certainly would have been on peoples' radar at 2008 Worlds, which is when they did Eleanor Rigby.
I would assume that any serious dance team planning to turn Senior for the next season would have watched 2008 Worlds, and I would expect C/P to be interested in the performances of compatriots V/M and especially archrivals Weaver/Poje. Seems to me C/P had beaten W/P in the FD at Canadian Nationals 2008. |
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iceman
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| How could anyone who follows dance forget D&W's Eleanor Rigby? For me it has nothing to do with their being American. |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: |
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This is how I wasn't aware of Davis & White skating to Eleanor Rigby:
Charlie broke his foot and their preparations were delayed and they skated poorly in the early season. The FD was so poorly received by the international judges that it was completely revamped before US Nationals. This was not Charlie and Meryl's best season, and certainly not their best dance.
The GP events were not being televised in Canada at the time, nor was 4CC which was in Korea. The live events at 4CC took place in the middle of the night. The dance events from Worlds, which was televised, were on when I was at work so I never saw it. Our VCR had died I couldn't tape it. The tape delayed coverage by the CBC didn't broadcast the dance.
I did watch it on YouTube before posting and it's not a great program, nor is it entirely skated to Eleanor Rigby. Because (from Abbey Road), is used for the slow section in the middle.
There really is no reason why anyone in Canada would have seen the program that program unless they were huge Davis & White fans. |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady wrote: |
Charlie broke his foot and their preparations were delayed and they skated poorly in the early season. The FD was so poorly received by the international judges that it was completely revamped before US Nationals. This was not Charlie and Meryl's best season, and certainly not their best dance. |
Charlie had an injury, but it was not a broken foot. The injury delayed D/W's preparations and rehearsal timeduring the summer of 2007, but it would be a major exaggeration to say they "skated poorly". They were 4th at Skate America, behind B/A, Pechalat/Bourzat and Faiella/Scali; they were 5th in the CD, 4th in the SP and 4th in the FS--hardly bad or disastrous for their first competition off an injury. They won bronze at TEB, finishing 4th/3rd/3rd in the three segments, behind DelShoes and K/N. They were an alternate to the GPF that year, hardly a "poor" record. |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:07 am Post subject: |
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You were predicting they would pass Virtue & Moir that season, chuckie. You were quite adamant on that score. Considering that V&M in the 2007/2008 season finished first and second in their GP events and made the GPF, going on to finish 2nd at Worlds, I would say that D&W had very poor results considering what was expected of them.
I remember suggesting to you that, given their lack of preparation time and the fact that Charlie had been in a cast and off the ice for an extended period, that D&W would be way behind the other teams at the start of the season, and you were having none of it.
This was the only season since arriving in seniors that there was any significant gap between these two teams. |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| DL, I am not in the habit of making such dramatic statements, so I doubt that I EVER made such a prediction. |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess you never predicted that Stephen Carriere would beat Patrick Chan either. It's all a figment of my imagination. |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| That one seems even more unbelievable, unless it was at the junior level. Sorry, you can make up stories about my 'predictions' but in fact I rarely if ever make concrete predictions about anything. I tend to size up the competition and point out contenders, not winners. |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| It related to Skate America and yes, chuckie, you said it. |
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Culturegeek
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| chuckiem wrote: | | DL, I am not in the habit of making such dramatic statements, so I doubt that I EVER made such a prediction. |
Dude, you predicted that the ice dance team of I/K would make the top ten in 2011, medal in 2012, win in 2013 and win the Olympics in 2014. That's a pretty dramatic prediction to me. |
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Dragonlady
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe chuckie remembers the predicitions he made that came true and forgets the others. |
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tennisfan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady wrote: | | Maybe chuckie remembers the predicitions he made that came true and forgets the others. |
That's not necessarily a bad thing  |
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chuckiem
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Culturegeek wrote: | | chuckiem wrote: | | DL, I am not in the habit of making such dramatic statements, so I doubt that I EVER made such a prediction. |
Dude, you predicted that the ice dance team of I/K would make the top ten in 2011, medal in 2012, win in 2013 and win the Olympics in 2014. That's a pretty dramatic prediction to me. |
As good as I/K are, that was a cynical 'prediction' on my part. Whatever happens between now and 2014, you can bet that I/K will be medal contenders in Sochi, especially since the 2014 Olympics are in RUSSIA. I/K look to be in good position to become Russia #1 and therefore I expect a rapid upward trajectory for I/K (barring injury), much like N/K and DomShabs had once they became Russia #1. |
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