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lambielfan26
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Jonas wrote: | Concept of VoloTrankov excites, but l'll wait till they get through the trial period before getting ahead of myself.
In brainstorming a possible new partner for Mukhortova, first name that comes to my mind is Ilia Glebov, who currently competes for Estonia with Maria Sergeeva. Glebov is definitely the stronger component and I feel that he'd go further if he has a stronger partner, i.e., Mukhortova.
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Glebov and Sergeeva are adoreable together. I dont want to see them split up. Maria is a very good pairs skater in many ways, but she will never really make it as a podium skater unless she changes that extremely cold demeanor and zero emotion she has now. It seems only the Chinese women now (eg- she Zhang) get away with that, well atleast while politcally in heavy favor. Where she got with Trankov last season is probably the limit of her potential barring that changing. |
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let`s talk
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Jonas wrote: | Found this article (in Russian) on the other board and translations have it that Mukhortova & Trankov have already split. Trankov will indeed audition w/Volosozhar in May in front of Russian Federation officials including Piseev's successor. Ingo Steuer will NOT be coaching this team, but Stanislav Morozov will act as assistant coach.
Oleg Vassiliev will look for a new partner for Mukhortova.
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It is official now. Trankov and Volosozhar. |
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Skater boy
Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 2245 Location: Heaven
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Official or a tryout must likely leading to a new team. I wonder if they can beat the Americans and canadians . How much time will it take for them to gel. |
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Dragonlady
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Skater boy wrote: | | Official or a tryout must likely leading to a new team. I wonder if they can beat the Americans and canadians . How much time will it take for them to gel. |
Yes, forget about the Chinese or the Germans, all pairs teams aspire to beat the Canadians and the Americans.  |
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Sk8rdad
Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 134 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| let`s talk wrote: | | Jonas wrote: | Found this article (in Russian) on the other board and translations have it that Mukhortova & Trankov have already split. Trankov will indeed audition w/Volosozhar in May in front of Russian Federation officials including Piseev's successor. Ingo Steuer will NOT be coaching this team, but Stanislav Morozov will act as assistant coach.
Oleg Vassiliev will look for a new partner for Mukhortova.
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It is official now. Trankov and Volosozhar. |
If the article only refers to an audition (or tryout) then this is hardly a done deal. Most pairs teams at this level will skate together for a few sessions to see if they are compatible, both technically and inpersonality, before commiting to a season. Some teams know right away if it has a chance of working other take a bit longer and other still may only last a season. It isn't just about being able to do the tricks together. |
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chuckiem
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously, Volosozhar/Trankov will be focusing on the podium, not worrying about the lesser teams (Canadians and Americans).
Volosozhar would have easily beaten the Canadian and American teams were she not held back by Morozov's poor jumping skills. Mukh/Trank were weakend by Maria's unpredictable jumps and throw landings. I think Volo/Trank would be a much steadier team that the ones they left. |
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let`s talk
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Sk8rdad wrote: | | let`s talk wrote: | | Jonas wrote: | Found this article (in Russian) on the other board and translations have it that Mukhortova & Trankov have already split. Trankov will indeed audition w/Volosozhar in May in front of Russian Federation officials including Piseev's successor. Ingo Steuer will NOT be coaching this team, but Stanislav Morozov will act as assistant coach.
Oleg Vassiliev will look for a new partner for Mukhortova.
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It is official now. Trankov and Volosozhar. |
If the article only refers to an audition (or tryout) then this is hardly a done deal. Most pairs teams at this level will skate together for a few sessions to see if they are compatible, both technically and inpersonality, before commiting to a season. Some teams know right away if it has a chance of working other take a bit longer and other still may only last a season. It isn't just about being able to do the tricks together. |
It looks like it is a done deal. The result we will see next season. Google is your friend or fsnews.ru, if you can read Russian. |
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Skater boy
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Now DL put away those fangs. LOL I am assuming that V and T won`t be ready for the podium in less than a year. It takes time usually to get down timing and synchronicity. |
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lambielfan26
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| chuckiem wrote: | Obviously, Volosozhar/Trankov will be focusing on the podium, not worrying about the lesser teams (Canadians and Americans).
Volosozhar would have easily beaten the Canadian and American teams were she not held back by Morozov's poor jumping skills. Mukh/Trank were weakend by Maria's unpredictable jumps and throw landings. I think Volo/Trank would be a much steadier team that the ones they left. |
M/T struggled to reach podiums this year even when they skated well. Just look at the Grand Prix final and Worlds. Granted they had a couple mistakes at Worlds but they might not have gotten the score to win a silver or bronze even without them. Maria was a stone on ice though, no emotion at all. Tatiana is a much brighter performer and I think better even when Maria is landing all her stuff. |
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Dragonlady
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen comments in the Russian press that if K&S were not being promoted as Russia's #1 Pairs team, M&T would have had the bronze at Worlds. I'm not sure that the judges pay that much attention as to who is #1 and who is #2 (see US Men this year and last).
I've always found M&T utterly lacking in connection and the pairs quality of "two skating as one". I also think that K&S have better speed, flow, positions, ice coverage and all of the essential pairs attributes (matching lines, connection, etc.) although both teams fall far short in this regard compared to the great Russian pairs teams of the past. |
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lambielfan26
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady wrote: | I've seen comments in the Russian press that if K&S were not being promoted as Russia's #1 Pairs team, M&T would have had the bronze at Worlds. I'm not sure that the judges pay that much attention as to who is #1 and who is #2 (see US Men this year and last).
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Well like you yourself said Abbott was never really the #1 American. He won Nationals this year simply because he skated much better than Evan there, not because he was the #1 American. Nationals last year it is quite possible the USFSA saw Abbott as their #1 going into Nationals, but he blew that quickly by bombing at Four Continents and then Worlds. |
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becool
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Sk8rdad wrote: |
Just because you read it on google does not necessarily make it so. Since I do not read russian fsnews.ru would not be much help. My comments are based on a fair bit of knowledge as to how the partner dynamic works in skating.
Someone recently posted that they hadn't skated together yet and it would be rather presumptuous of anyone to assume by simply stating that a team will be formed that it will be at all successful. If they have and it is working for them great there is no need to to be a smart a**. |
It is difficult to know if Tatiana and Maxim who are great skaters individually, will be able to skate well together. However, I'm going to point out that this is also isn't a "normal pairs skating tryout" In the sense that both skaters know very well that they aren't going to find a better partner, and so that gives them both powerful motivation to make it work. Also, reportedly a coach and a choregrapher has been decided on. |
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Sk8rdad
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Your absolutely right becool at the level they are at there aren't a lot of choices and they most definitely will be motivated to try to make it work. The unfortunate reality is sometimes it just won't. I hope for their sakes it does they could do very well together. |
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Dragonlady
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:26 am Post subject: |
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News and rumours from Russia which is a hotbed of intrigue these days:
The Russian coach widely believed to be V&T's new coach says there is no such team - yet. They are waiting on the approval of the Ukrainian federation. |
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Dragonlady
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Attached is the link but it's all rumours at this point:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/SkateFans/message/197898
The thing I absolutely love about the Russian Press is that there is no "spin" or self-filtering by any of the coaches, skaters in their interviews. These wonderful people say EXACTLY what's on their mind. I'm often at some of the stuff they say, but I am thrilled that we get these unfiltered opinions and comments. |
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siteadmin Site Admin
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Just be careful please........linking to a site that mentions sources.....is not the same as linking to the actual sources. |
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Dragonlady
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The original articles are in Russian. Ms. Diffley kindly posts translations for us. And I did mention that there were, at this point, rumours. |
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loveskating
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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It took Demietriev and Kazakova about 3 years to gel as a pair...and he was already an OGM and OSM winner.
While I'm at it, I don't think pairs get enough credit for how incredibly difficult their work is. |
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lambielfan26
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought they had gelled by their 2nd season together. The year just began with Artur way out of shape, but were 2nd at the 97 Grand Prix final and probably should have won, the would have won Worlds that year if he didnt double his triple toe twice. |
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becool
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| lambielfan26 wrote: | | I thought they had gelled by their 2nd season together. The year just began with Artur way out of shape, but were 2nd at the 97 Grand Prix final and probably should have won, the would have won Worlds that year if he didnt double his triple toe twice. |
Yeah. I thought Artur's "partying" was a big part of their troubles. Elena/Anton were medaling at Europeans a year after her horrible injury. They were only 9th at Worlds, but that was due to a meltdown on their part.
Of course they were even better the longer they were together, but it didn't take them that long to get good. |
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