Ellen wrote:bumphystars wrote:Siteadmin, this forum is really not a chat of a small north-americal party but the forum on the international organization's site. And when someone automatically puts the fake or anti-Russian negative information that he gets from the American media into this forum, then I ask to stop that, please.
Nowdays, during the information war that the USA carries in their mass media, we should not spread it to the internation sources, the ISU forum.
sms29s66 wrote:Winnipeg, Russia boycotted the 1984 LA summer games when our gymnasts won gold, and whenever our gold medals are discussed, there is a mention of the fact that the Russians were not there, implying that their absence was a factor. The same thing will happen if Yvegenia Medvedeva (sp?) does not compete for patriotic reasons. Heck, it will probably happen even if her injury keeps her from competing. It might even happen if she competes, but is not up to par due to her injury. The ladies gold is hers to lose, so if she is not there, the eventual winner will have a cloud over her medal.
Ellen wrote:bumphystars wrote:
The IOC did not find any evidence of the involvement of the state officials in the violations of the doping rules in Russia. But of course the Russian Sports ministry bears the responsibility on everything that relates to the sports, the Sports of the higher achievements in Russia, and of course is responsible of any violations in this area. That's logically makes the then Russian sports minister guilty.
I guess there are other examples too when everyone was there and the winner was deemed as having been somewhat "lucky" eg Hughes, Urmanov, . Still you win a competition based on who is there regardless of injury, mistake of another skater, etc. etc.
Ellen wrote:Really? You must have read it in the Americal mass-media. If you want to get true information about international events I advise to read more reliable sources. In the case of the Russian Olympic ban please care to read the IOC site. http://www.olympic.org
Siteadmin, this forum is really not a chat of a small north-americal party but the forum on the international organization's site. And when someone automatically puts the fake or anti-Russian negative information that he gets from the American media into this forum, then I ask to stop that, please.
Nowdays, during the information war that the USA carries in their mass media, we should not spread it to the internation sources, the ISU forum.
Virginia wrote:Ellen, based upon the evidence offered by WADA (which the IOC has accepted), every Russian athlete's performance at Sochi must now be regarded as suspect.
Virginia wrote:And every Russian medalist's name will have an asterisk next to it in most people's minds.
Virginia wrote:... but this is how the situation stands.
Ellen wrote:My post above doesn't relate straight to the figure skating, but this topic is very painful for me and not only me, so I ask to leave it here at this forum. Thank you.
Ellen wrote:Your media devoted one minute to the event, which is the huge humiliation for the whole country, for athletes, for people.
The IOC meeting and the final speech of Thomas Bach on Dec 5th were broadcast live on Russia’s 1st (the central) channel. I personally waited for this decision with a sinking heart, hoping for the best but morally trying to prepare for the worst. Then the IOC decision was announced, that my country is not allowed to participate in the Olympics, but the athletes – the athletes who have already been checked for doping millions of times – still may ask for permission to be admitted. And if a special panel of three strange persons will deign to admit them, and if the federations and the IOC itself will not mind either, then they must be happy to be allowed to go. I personally was humiliated. My first reaction was - NOT go to Korea! We should not allow ourselves to be in such position.
Why did they need us without the flag and the anthem. Where is doping violation by WADA’s controlled organization RUSADA and where is the flag and anthem.
I imagine how Zhenya Medvedeva or Alina Zagitova will be asking permission to skate at the Olympics without the chance to hear the anthem. And somebody from WADA or from somewhere else will decide if Zhenya and Alina are clean enough to skate at the Olympics.
Or our hockey team will ask permission for Korea, and, if allowed, will play in some white T-shirts without the identification marks.
And after having got those humiliating permits they go to Pyongchang, then hundreds of “clean” foreign athletes with the therapeutic exceptions from WADA will speak out there something like “we do not want these Russians be here”.
Or someone like Meagan Duhamel writes in his/her Twitter muck about the Russian athletes. She and others like her better show their superiority over the Russians on ice, on the track rather than in their Twitter.
I hope that the Russian athletes will be strong enough not pay attention to all the dirt that pours on them.
I am also sure that the Russians will win the cases in CAS or other courts and will return their Sochi medals.
We will survive.
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