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[lambielfan26]

Most times Elvis was overscored in presentation. He almost bullied the judges to overscore him with his constant complaints about his artistic marks with the press took and ran with.

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[lambielfan26]

[nowthen]

LOL at the idea of someone with Olympic gold and two silvers wasting their talent!!! All because some people think his choreo was not hard enough? That is so crazy!!!!! Just because he didn't skate to the music you like skaters to skate to or do the moves you like skaters to do in choreo terms doesn't mean their whole career was a waste!! And you can't get anywhere without doing jumps anyway!!

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[lambielfan26]

Even with all his medals when people talk about the greatest skater ever they dont mention Plushenko as a feasible c hoice. They mention Yagudin of course, they mention Curry who was probably the greatest pure artist ever on ice, they mention Browning, many mention Dick Button as the greatest mens skater ever just because of how far ahead of his time technically he was. Plushenko gets left out of this discussion. And he really shouldnt be with his talent but it is because he did not maximize his talent inspite of all the events he won.

[Dragonlady]

Not just his talent, but his competitive record. Again this is very similar to Elvis Stojko and for similar reasons. Of course Evgeny is a better skater than Elvis and he does have line and extension, as well as flexibility, which is rare in a man. Plushenko could have been thought of as the greatest skater who ever lived instead of the most consistent.

[Eladola]

Plushenko doesn't get mentioned when talking about the best skaters ?


That's a false statement if you ask me ,
And the Eurosport commentators to add another.

I mean everyone's aware of his "issues" by now , But you guys are
So
Over
Exaggerating the situation .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBa5WOz9-Ws

I can't think of many SP's that are as out there choreographically as this for instance , At the point in his career when they invested a little more in choreography they just approached his programs in a different way then how other skaters may approach .

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[harvey]

I’m entranced by how the "Choreography" portion of this thread has evolved, and DL’s post about it being easy to define and then using Pleshenko’s exhibition number as a negative example.
For me (And I think for many others), Pleshenko’s “S-e-x Bomb” exhibition was one of the most entertaining (Although never in competition) “Choreographies” of all time. As much as was possible at that time for public consumption it (IMHO) epitomized a parody of “S-e-x appeal choreography” that seemed popular during that era, so I guess that in MY case at least the definition of what constitutes excellent choreography is STILL very much “Up in the Air” or at least in the eye of the beholder.

[Eladola]

What we have here is a difference of opinion ( to some extant at least ) ,
But there are some people who would go out of their skin to lable their opinion a Fact .

[lambielfan26]

I didnt say Plushenko isnt considered one of the greatest skaters ever by many, but almost nobody considers him THE greatest skater ever. In fact hardly anyone considers him the greatest skater of his own generation over Yagudin even though Yagudin's career was cut short. And the reason for this is not lack of talent but because he did not fulfill his total potential as a skater.

[loveskating]

Well, I don't think it is so easy unless you have a slam dunk like Bolero or Kalinka.

I thought Bareshnaya and Sik's City Lights was great choreography, but the judges did not like it and they had to ditch it, which reallly made me mad. As skated at COR, its one of the programs on my Ipod that I watch all the time. I absolutely adore it. Not surprisingly, I also adore Chaplin.

I thought Yagudin's Lawrence of Arabia was a masterpiece, and he skated it so well numerous times, but no one talks about it, and I thought Kwan's Red Violin as skated at 2000 Worlds was by far her best (except maybe for her 1998 SP version of Rach) and a lot of people even dislike it!

So I don't think its so easy at all.

Sometimes the skater him or herself is the show -- when I think of Plushenko, I don't have images of his choreography, like I do say with Kulik or Yagudin or Kurt Browning -- I think of some part of his skating, like that accelleration of more than half the rink into that quad, so gorgeous, so amazing, or seeing him live and how explosive all his jumps were, or his posture or his hair flying in the breeze he created. He wa a very special skater, not the type we will see often, a kind if in your face, "take no enemies" type skater and it was very very exciting to see him.

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