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				2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:59 pm 
				by Virginia
				Can't believe nobody's started a thread for the GPF yet!
Hanyu is out, for the second year in a row. That ankle he twisted at Grenoble is still troublesome, it seems Apparently it's not clear if he'll be fighting fit for Japanese Nationals in less than three weeks. 
(Per 
Japan Times: 
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2018/11/29/figure-skating/injured-yuzuru-hanyu-miss-grand-prix-final-second-consecutive-year/#.XAaxnNs3mM8)
Good news for Keegan Messing, the first alternate.
So to my mind this sets up a head-to-head battle between Uno and Chen. Anybody want to handicap that one? 
(my money's on Uno) 
			 
			
		
			
				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:23 pm 
				by chuckiem
				We still have a day to go before the event page is up with  the tech teams and judging panels.  
I will set up separate threads for the JGPF and Golden Spin.
			 
			
		
			
				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:21 pm 
				by Jonas
				I'm looking forward to some really good duels!!  
I'll go w/my heart on the pairs and bet on James & Cipres over Tarasova & Morozov.
I'll go w/Uno over Chen among the men as I think Uno has the superior program and Chen hasn't really maxed out his quad attempts on the Grand Prix.  Voronov for the bronze.
Presumably, it'll be Kihira vs Olympic Champ Zagitova for the ladies.  I find Kihira more pleasing to watch, but I predict Zagitova will be held up just enough to win.  Kihira will need to go squeaky clean and with one 3Axel in both programs to have a chance.  I'll predict Miyahara over Tuktamysheva for bronze.  
Your thoughts...
			 
			
		
			
				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:25 pm 
				by chuckiem
				START ORDER MEN SHORT PROGRAM  Thu Dec 6 7:45 pm PST / 10:45 pm EST
1	Keegan MESSING	CAN
2	Junhwhan CHA	KOR
3	Michal BREZINA	CZE
4	Nathan CHEN	USA
5	Sergei VORONOV	RUS
6	Shoma UNO	JPN
Tech Team
Ref:  Hunter-CAN
TC:   Okabe-JPN
TS:    Chung-KOR
ATS:  Loriol-Oberwiler-SUI
Judges:  KOR CZE FRA USA CAN JPN FIN ITA RUS
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START ORDER LADIES SHORT PROGRAM  Thu Dec 6 9:00 pm PST / 12 midnight EST
1	Sofia SAMODUROVA	RUS
2	Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA	RUS
3	Rika KIHIRA	JPN
4	Satoko MIYAHARA	JPN
5	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN
6	Alina ZAGITOVA	RUS
Tech Team
Ref:  Pfister-SUI
TC:   Tauchmanova-CZE
TS:   Markova-RUS
ATS:  Bianconi-ITA
Judges: USA CHN GEO JPN CAN KOR ESP RUS FIN
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START ORDER RHYTHM DANCE - Fri Dec 7  7:05 pm PST / 10:05 pm EST
1	Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV	RUS
2	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA
3	Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO	RUS
4	Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN	RUS
5	Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE	USA
6	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA
Tech Team
Ref:  Shekhovtsova-RUS
TC:   Molina-FRA
TS:   Elek-HUN
ATS:  Blumberg-USA
Judges:  UKR JPN USA RUS FRA GEO ITA ESP CAN
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START ORDER PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM  Fri Dec 7 8:27 pm PST / 11:27 EST
1	Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN	RUS
2	Cheng PENG / Yang JIN	CHN
3	Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE	ITA
4	Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES	FRA
5	Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT	RUS
6	Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV	RUS
Tech Team
Ref:  Zionneyken-BEL
TC:   Kimminus-GER
TS:   Collin-Knoblauch-CAN
ATS:  Gaynor-USA
Judges:  CZE RUS FIN CHN JPN ITA CAN USA FRA
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The MEN's FREESKATE is scheduled for Fri Dec 7 at 9:35 pm PST / 12:35 am EST 
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				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:49 am 
				by GoFigure
				Well well well, looks like Alina has to work this time. Go Rika!
			 
			
		
			
				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:50 am 
				by chuckiem
				RESULTS SENIOR MEN SHORT PROGRAM
1	Nathan CHEN	USA	92.99	48.78		44.21	8.89	8.68	8.79	8.96	8.89	0.00	4		3a, 4f, 4t-so-nc
2	Shoma UNO	JPN	91.67	46.88		44.79	9.00	8.75	8.93	9.07	9.04	0.00	6		4f<, 4t+2t, 3a
3	Michal BREZINA	CZE	89.21	46.14		43.07	8.71	8.29	8.75	8.61	8.71	0.00	3		4s+2t, 3f, 3a
4	Junhwhan CHA	KOR	89.07	47.35		41.72	8.36	8.04	8.43	8.50	8.39	0.00	2		4s<, 3z+3lo, 3a
5	Sergei VORONOV	RUS	82.96	42.56		40.40	8.32	7.75	8.18	8.11	8.04	0.00	5		4t-fwd, 3lo+3t, 3a
6	Keegan MESSING	CAN	79.56	37.56		42.00	8.32	8.21	8.54	8.50	8.43	0.00	1		4t<+3t, 3a<, 3z
START ORDER SENIOR MEN FREESKATE  Fri Dec 7  9:35 pm PST / 12:35 am EST
1	Sergei VORONOV	RUS
2	Junhwhan CHA	KOR
3	Keegan MESSING	CAN
4	Nathan CHEN	USA
5	Michal BREZINA	CZE
6	Shoma UNO	JPN
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RESULTS SENIOR LADIES SHORT PROGRAM
1	Rika KIHIRA	JPN	82.51	47.36		35.15	8.86	8.46	8.96	8.82	8.82	0.00	3		3a, 3f+3t, 3z
2	Alina ZAGITOVA	RUS	77.93	42.10		35.83	8.96	8.82	9.00	8.96	9.04	0.00	6		3z+3lo, 2a, 3f
3	Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA	RUS	70.65	38.25		32.40	8.11	7.75	8.18	8.21	8.25	0.00	2		3a<-to, 3t+3t, 3z
4	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	70.23	37.23		33.00	8.36	7.96	8.39	8.25	8.29	0.00	5		3f+3t, 2a, 3lo
5	Sofia SAMODUROVA	RUS	68.24	37.12		31.12	7.79	7.57	7.86	7.79	7.89	0.00	1		3f+3t, 3lo, 2a
6	Satoko MIYAHARA	JPN	67.52	32.58		34.94	8.68	8.57	8.71	8.82	8.89	0.00	4		3z<, 2a, 3lo+2t
START ORDER SENIOR LADIES FREESKATE  Sat Dec 7  1:55 pm PST / 4:55 pm EST
1	Sofia SAMODUROVA	RUS
2	Satoko MIYAHARA	JPN
3	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN
4	Alina ZAGITOVA	RUS
5	Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA	RUS
6	Rika KIHIRA	JPN
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				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:13 pm 
				by Jonas
				Clearly, the 3Axel helped Kihira with the SP win here.  After I saw Kihira skate I thought that there should be no way Zagitova can beat this, but I could see the judges inflating Zagitova's PCS to keep it close.  But not really -- Kihira's PCS are right up there and rightfully so!  There's a lovely ease to Kihira's movement and it really shines through when she's on.  
Michal Brezina continues what is really his dream Fall season. That 4Sal combo really shouldn't have happened -- he looked off to me right on takeoff, but he made it happen!  Something is just clicking for him this season and it's really nice to see. The costume change is very welcome too:  more subdued and soft spoken, but more flattering.
Your thoughts...
			 
			
		
			
				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:43 pm 
				by chuckiem
				Coaching change to Raf Arutunian is what rejuvenated Michal Brezina.  Pretty soon Raf is going to be the most sought-after coach in NA.
			 
			
		
			
				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:24 am 
				by chuckiem
				RESULTS SENIOR RHYTHM DANCE
1	Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE	USA	80.53	43.16		37.37	9.29	9.25	9.43	9.32	9.43	0.00	5
2	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA	78.30	42.59		35.71	8.89	8.75	9.00	8.96	9.04	0.00	6
3	Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV	RUS	77.33	40.88		36.45	9.04	8.93	9.21	9.18	9.21	0.00	1
4	Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN	RUS	77.20	40.57		36.63	9.04	9.00	9.21	9.25	9.29	0.00	4
5	Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO	RUS	72.98	39.21		33.77	8.46	8.29	8.50	8.54	8.43	0.00	3
6	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA	71.33	37.58		33.75	8.36	8.29	8.50	8.54	8.50	0.00	2
START ORDER SENIOR FREE DANCE  Sat Dec 8 7 pm PST / 10 pm EST
1	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA
2	Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN	RUS
3	Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO	RUS
4	Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV	RUS
5	Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE	USA
6	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA
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RESULTS SENIOR PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM
1	Cheng PENG / Yang JIN	CHN	75.69	42.29		33.40	8.32	8.14	8.57	8.39	8.32	0.00	2
2	Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT	RUS	75.18	39.80		35.38	8.79	8.61	8.96	8.86	9.00	0.00	5
3	Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV	RUS	74.04	39.64		35.40	9.00	8.79	8.75	8.93	8.79	1.00	6
4	Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES	FRA	71.51	36.52		34.99	8.71	8.64	8.68	8.82	8.89	0.00	4
5	Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE	ITA	69.77	36.77		33.00	8.32	8.04	8.14	8.36	8.39	0.00	3
6	Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN	RUS	61.24	32.90		29.34	7.46	7.29	7.18	7.46	7.29	1.00	1
START ORDER SENIOR PAIRS FREESKATE  Sat Dec 8  8:20 PST / 11:20 EST
1	Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN	RUS
2	Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES	FRA
3	Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE	ITA
4	Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV	RUS
5	Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT	RUS
6	Cheng PENG / Yang JIN	CHN
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RESULTS SENIOR MEN FREESKATE
1	Nathan CHEN	USA	189.43	101.79		88.64	9.04	8.64	8.82	8.93	8.89	1.00	4		4f, 4z<↓, 4t, 3a, 4t+3t, 3z+3t, 3f+eu+3s
2	Shoma UNO	JPN	183.43	93.29		90.14	9.18	8.89	8.93	9.07	9.00	0.00	6		4s<<, 4f<, 4t, 4t+2t, 3a, 3a+eu+3f, 3s+3t
3	Junhwhan CHA	KOR	174.42	91.58	91.58	83.84	8.43	8.21	8.43	8.39	8.46	1.00	2		4t<↓, 4s, 3z+3lo, 3a+2t, 3a, 3f+eu+3s, 3lo
4	Michal BREZINA	CZE	167.05	79.67		87.38	8.68	8.54	8.89	8.79	8.79	0.00	5		4s<↓, 3a+2t, 3f, 3z, 3a, 3f+2t+2lo, 3lo
5	Keegan MESSING	CAN	156.49	74.93		83.56	8.39	8.14	8.14	8.57	8.54	2.00	3		4z-hd, 4t, 3a+2t, 3lo, 2t+2t*, 3s+3t, 3a<↓, late start
6	Sergei VORONOV	RUS	143.48	66.76		76.72	8.07	7.25	7.68	7.75	7.61	0.00	1		4t+2t, 3lo, 4t, 3s, 3a-so, 3a<+2t+1lo, 3z+2t*
FINAL STANDINGS SENIOR MEN
1	-	Nathan CHEN	USA	282.42		1	1
2	-	Shoma UNO	JPN	275.10		2	2
3	-	Junhwhan CHA	KOR	263.49		4	3
4	-	Michal BREZINA	CZE	256.26		3	4
5	-	Keegan MESSING	CAN	236.05		6	5
6	-	Sergei VORONOV	RUS	226.44		5	6
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				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:00 pm 
				by chuckiem
				RESULTS SENIOR LADIES FREESKATE
1	Rika KIHIRA	JPN	150.61	78.21		72.40	9.07	8.86	9.04	9.07	9.21	0.00	6		3a<<, 3a+2t, 3lo, 3z+3t, 3f, 3z+2t+2lo, 3s
2	Alina ZAGITOVA	RUS	148.60	75.90		72.70	9.04	9.00	9.04	9.18	9.18	0.00	4		2a, 3z+1t, 3s, 2a, 3z+3lo, 3f+2t+2lo, 3f
3	Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA	RUS	144.67	78.06	66.61	66.61	8.39	7.96	8.46	8.32	8.50	0.00	5		3a-to, 3z+3t, 3f, 3s^2a, 2a+3t+2t, 3z, 3lo
4	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	141.45	74.45		68.00	8.64	8.36	8.54	8.50	8.46	1.00	3		3f+3t, 2a,  3z, 3s, 2a+2t+2t<↓, 3f+2t, 3lo
5	Sofia SAMODUROVA	RUS	136.09	72.82	63.27	63.27	7.93	7.57	8.11	7.93	8.00	0.00	1		3f+3t, 3z, 3lo, 3s, 2a+3t, 3f, 2a+2t+2lo
6	Satoko MIYAHARA	JPN	133.79	64.23		69.56	8.61	8.46	8.79	8.75	8.86	0.00	2		3s, 3z<+3t, 3lo, 3z<<, 2a+3t, 3f!<+2t+2lo, 2a
FINAL STANDINGS SENIOR LADIES
1	-	Rika KIHIRA	JPN	233.12		1	1
2	-	Alina ZAGITOVA	RUS	226.43		2	2
3	-	Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA	RUS	215.32		3	3
4	-	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	211.68		4	4
5	-	Sofia SAMODUROVA	RUS	204.33		5	5
6	-	Satoko MIYAHARA	JPN	201.31		6	6
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				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:32 am 
				by chuckiem
				RESULTS SENIOR FREE DANCE
1	Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE	USA	124.82	67.73		57.09	9.46	9.29	9.64	9.54	9.64	0.00	5
2	Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV	RUS	124.04	68.29		55.75	9.25	9.14	9.46	9.25	9.36	0.00	4
3	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA	120.35	66.38		53.97	8.86	8.86	9.11	9.04	9.11	0.00	6
4	Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN	RUS	119.52	64.67		54.85	9.00	8.96	9.25	9.25	9.25	0.00	2
5	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA	112.71	61.59		51.12	8.54	8.21	8.64	8.57	8.64	0.00	1
6	Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO	RUS	111.39	60.69		50.70	8.36	8.46	8.43	8.54	8.46	0.00	3
FINAL STANDINGS SENIOR ICE DANCE
1	-	Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE	USA	205.35		1	1
2	-	Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV	RUS	201.37		3	2
3	-	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA	198.65		2	3
4	-	Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN	RUS	196.72		4	4
5	-	Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO	RUS	184.37		5	6
6	-	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA	184.04		6	5
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RESULTS SENIOR PAIRS FREESKATE
1	Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES	FRA	148.37	75.59		73.78	9.14	9.00	9.36	9.25	9.36	1.00	2
2	Cheng PENG / Yang JIN	CHN	141.21	70.12		71.09	8.82	8.75	9.04	8.86	8.96	0.00	6
3	Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV	RUS	140.16	69.72		70.44	8.89	8.75	8.71	8.89	8.79	0.00	4
4	Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT	RUS	125.89	58.75		67.14	8.54	8.21	8.36	8.39	8.46	0.00	5
5	Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN	RUS	125.57	66.31		59.26	7.50	7.25	7.54	7.43	7.32	0.00	1
6	Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE	ITA	117.86	55.59		64.27	8.14	7.96	7.75	8.18	8.14	2.00	3
FINAL STANDINGS SENIOR PAIRS
1	-	Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES	FRA	219.88		4	1
2	-	Cheng PENG / Yang JIN	CHN	216.90		1	2
3	-	Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV	RUS	214.20		3	3
4	-	Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT	RUS	201.07		2	4
5	-	Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE	ITA	187.63		5	6
6	-	Daria PAVLIUCHENKO / Denis KHODYKIN	RUS	186.81		6	5
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				Re: 2018 GRAND PRIX FINAL 12/6-12/9 Vancouver CAN
				
Posted: 
Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:10 pm 
				by Jonas
				Somewhat of a sloppy men's event over two programs.  I was kinda hoping for a head to head between Chen and Uno and just more fireworks in general.  Not terrible, but not great either.  Maybe I'll chalk it up to saving some gas for the end.
The ladies FS was quite well skated, however.  
Sofia Samodurova is making a strong case for RUS to send her to Worlds as the 3rd lady -- right now, I'd say it's between her and Medvedeva for this spot.  Medved's got the resume history, but Samodurova has just been more consistent this season.  I'd say the medal for Tuktamysheva here really gained her lots of momentum going into Russian Nationals.  I thought Tukt was better in the FS than Zagitova was.  I think that pop early on zapped the life out the program.
For Japan:  Miyahara skated a solid FS performance, but upon closer inspection those carrots really cost her again.  Sakamoto's brain fart fall on that 2toe probably cost her the bronze medal -- even w/Tukt's two 3Axel attempts between two programs, Sakamoto came within less than 4 points without one.  I'd hate to jinx her, but I think it's safe to say at this point that Rika Kihira has established herself as the favorite to win Worlds.  I'd be surprised if this was not Japan's team for Saitama.
After a relatively shaky SP, James & Cipres had the audience's attention from the get-go in their FS.  Their big trick elements aren't always the best executed out there, but no one in this field has the same performance quality.
Peng & Jin deservedly won the SP, but didn't quite have the same umph as James & Cipres in the FS.  The doubled sbs Salchow certainly didn't help.  I didn't see them in their previous Grand Prix events, but here they look like they're flourishing more now that they're clearly the team that CHN is focusing most of its coaching energies on.  They've really gelled better from since they first were switcharoo'ed and teamed up.  They seemed genuinely happy w/their efforts here and rightfully so.
Your thoughts...