2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Virginia » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:08 am

I don't know any Americans who care about the women's hockey. Men, yes, but not the women.

All things being even, I think more Canadians will be happy with a gold than Americans would, even if we outnumber you by nearly ten to one. Hockey is your national sport; here it takes fourth place behind Unprosecuted Assault (my name for the festival of violence that is the NFL), baseball and basketball. Most Americans wouldn't even notice if we won the gold in women's hockey.

So go ahead, Canada, win the women's hockey. Celebrate it. Have parades. You've earned it.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Ellen » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:19 am

Dragonlady wrote:
Personally I don’t think any skater with weak laboured stroking, who doesn’t use the entire ice surface, deserves 9.54 in skating skills, even if her elements are clean and tidy. And jumps that go up and down in the same spot with no height, no ice coverage, and no running edge coming out of them, don’t deserve +2’s and 3’s for GOE just because they’re done in the back half of the program with a hand over the head.


Why then the other girls not move their jumps into the second half and perform them with a hand raised above the head?

Please describe what is Ice coverage? If it is only skating forward Mohawk turn along the rink borders, then apparently the judges more appreciate the virtuosic transitions and various tricky elements that both Znenya and Alina's programs are filled with.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Dragonlady » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:59 pm

Ice coverage in jumping is the distance a travels across the ice. First and foremost, a jump needs height and distance, with good run out on the landing. If the jump has none of these things, it should not be lavished with +2's and 3's regardless of the floppy arms over the head. These are the basic requirements of a good jump.

Ellen, Zagitova doesn't have many transitions at all. Her choreography is quite unadorned.

Ice coverage in choreography means using the entire ice surface not just the middle of the ice, an no that doesn't mean doing choctaws along the boards. It's easier and lesser tiring to stick to the middle of the ice. When Elizaveta T. was doing this in her first senior year, Mishin was asked about her lack of ice coverage. He said it was because she was a little girl and he said that when she grows up she'll use the whole rink. Well when she grows up and uses the entire ice surface, we can talk about 9's for PCS.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Winnipeg » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:36 pm

Judges don't seem to credit ice coverage though.

Are there any guidelines wrt how to come up with a PC score? Shouldn't there be? I realize it cannot be exactly mathematical but there should be guidelines such as mentioned by DL to assess skaters consistently and fairly in accordance with their true skating skills.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:43 pm

Miyahara's jumps lack height and distance as well. She barely gets off the ice and there's quite a bit of prerotation on the ice, too.

My one major complaint about Zagitova is her posture: constantly piked at the waist. I suspect that's why she does ballerina programs because supposedly the tutu distracts attention from her posture.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Mike » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:52 pm

Virginia wrote:I don't know any Americans who care about the women's hockey. Men, yes, but not the women.

All things being even, I think more Canadians will be happy with a gold than Americans would, even if we outnumber you by nearly ten to one. Hockey is your national sport; here it takes fourth place behind Unprosecuted Assault (my name for the festival of violence that is the NFL), baseball and basketball. Most Americans wouldn't even notice if we won the gold in women's hockey.

So go ahead, Canada, win the women's hockey. Celebrate it. Have parades. You've earned it.




Will you settle for silver? I do care. :lol:

Predictions for the Ladies event. I think Tennell will bounce back and be the highest finisher among the USA Ladies.
Medvedeva will win the gold.
Have a beautiful day,

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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Dragonlady » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:03 am

Nice to see you posting Mike. It’s been a while.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby JimSlate71 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:18 am

My heart breaks for Evgenia Medvedeva, but congratulations to Alina, she skated great. I still would have given the FS and overall win to Medvedeva (greater balance, transitions, performance), but can't complain really as Zagitova was magnificent. But poor Evgenia, I feel so bad for her with all the work she's put in. Plus, she seems to be a wonderful girl with a great attitude and personality. I hope she sticks around for Beijing 2022 and takes it…..
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Andy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:58 am

Winnipeg wrote:Judges don't seem to credit ice coverage though.

Are there any guidelines wrt how to come up with a PC score? Shouldn't there be? I realize it cannot be exactly mathematical but there should be guidelines such as mentioned by DL to assess skaters consistently and fairly in accordance with their true skating skills.


There are. There are both descriptors and guidelines. My complaint about the CoP judges, and judging, is that these guidelines are systematically ignored while PCS are more or less aligned to the TES and the reputation of the skater. Hence we are back to 1994 and 1998.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:14 am

LADIES FREESKATE RESULTS

1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA OAR 156.65 79.18 77.47 9.57 9.43 9.82 9.71 9.80 0.00 24 3f, 3z, 3f+3t, 3lo, 2a+2t+2t, 3s+3t, 2a
2 Alina ZAGITOVA OAR 156.65 81.62 75.03 9.32 9.21 9.61 9.29 9.46 0.00 22 3z, 2a+3t, 3f+2t+2lo, 3z+3lo, 3s, 3f, 2a
3 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 152.15 76.50 75.65 9.50 9.21 9.57 9.39 9.61 0.00 23 3f+3t, 2a+3t, 3z!-so, 3lo, 3f, 3s+2t+2lo, 2a
4 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN 146.44 75.20 71.24 8.93 8.64 9.07 8.89 9.00 0.00 19 3lo, 3z+3t, 3f, 3z+2t+2lo, 2a+3t, 3s, 2a
5 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 139.29 63.64 75.65 9.46 9.25 9.43 9.57 9.57 0.00 20 3z, 3f-so-2hd, 3lo, 3t, 2a+1lo<+3s, 2a, 3s+2t
6 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 136.53 68.42 68.11 8.57 8.36 8.50 8.57 8.57 0.00 21 3f+3t, 3s, 3ze, 3f+2t, 2a+3t+2t, 3lo-so, 2a
7 Maria SOTSKOVA OAR 134.24 66.94 67.30 8.39 8.14 8.54 8.43 8.57 0.00 13 3z+3t, 3f, 3lo, 3f+1lo+2s, 3z, 2a+2t, 2a
8 Dabin CHOI KOR 131.49 68.74 62.75 7.86 7.57 8.04 7.86 7.89 0.00 17 3z, 3f, 2a+3t, 3lo, 3z+3t+2t, 3s+2t, 2a
9 Bradie TENNELL USA 128.34 65.41 62.93 7.93 7.68 7.79 7.93 8.00 0.00 15 3z+3t, 2a, 3f, 2a+3t<-so, 3z<-so, 3lo+2lo+2lo, 3s
10 Hanul KIM KOR 121.38 67.03 54.35 6.96 6.46 7.00 6.68 6.86 0.00 4 3z+3t, 2a+3t, 3f!, 3lo, 3z, 3s, 2a+2t+2lo
11 Karen CHEN USA 119.75 56.65 64.10 8.18 7.64 7.96 8.07 8.00 1.00 14 3z, 3f!, 2a+1lo+3s<, 3z+2t, 3lo<↓, 3s-so, 2a
12 Mirai NAGASU USA 119.61 57.56 62.05 8.14 7.50 7.71 7.75 7.68 0.00 18 a, 3f+3t, 3s, 2a+3t+2t, 1z, 3f, 3lo+2t
13 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 118.30 60.50 58.80 7.39 7.11 7.39 7.43 7.43 1.00 7 3lo, 3z↓, 3f<, 3s+3t, 2a+3t, 2a+2t+2t, 3s
14 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 116.72 60.73 55.99 7.07 6.71 7.11 6.96 7.14 0.00 2 3z, 3f+2t, 2a, 3f, 3s+2t+2lo, 2a+2lo, 3s
15 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 114.60 57.80 56.80 7.11 6.89 7.25 7.04 7.21 0.00 11 2a+3t, 3f, 3z<+2t, 3z<, 3lo+2t+2lo, 3lo, 2a
16 Kailani CRAINE AUS 111.84 57.89 53.95 6.68 6.54 7.00 6.64 6.86 0.00 9 3z+2t, 3f, 3z<, 3lo+1lo+3s<, 3lo, 2a+2t, 2a
17 Nicole SCHOTT GER 109.27 52.68 56.59 7.04 6.82 7.04 7.18 7.29 0.00 10 3f, 3t+3t, 3f<+rep, 3s+2t, 3lo-hd, 2a, 2a+2t
18 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 106.25 55.13 52.12 6.50 6.29 6.61 6.54 6.64 1.00 3 2a, 3f, 3z+2t, 3lo, 2a+3t, 3z↓, 3s
19 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 103.56 45.81 61.75 8.00 7.64 7.39 7.93 7.64 4.00 16 3t+3t, 3z↓, 3f!-fo, 3z↓+rep, 3lo<↓, 2a+2t, 2s^2a
20 Xiangning LI CHN 101.97 50.56 51.41 6.57 6.21 6.46 6.39 6.50 0.00 5 3f+2t, 3z+2t, 3f, 3z<, 2a+1lo<+3s<, 3t<, 2a<
21 Emmi PELTONEN FIN 101.86 46.41 56.45 7.14 6.79 7.00 7.07 7.29 1.00 8 3t+3t, 3z↓, 3lo+2t, 2a+1lo+3s<, 2lo, 1f, 2a
22 Alexia PAGANINI SUI 101.00 50.94 50.06 6.43 6.00 6.29 6.32 6.25 0.00 1 3z+3t, 1a+1lo<+3s<, 3lo+2t, 3t, 3lo<, 2z, 2a
23 Ivett TOTH HUN 97.21 49.82 50.39 6.32 6.29 6.21 6.39 6.29 3.00 6 3z+2t, 3f, 3lo↓, 3z<<↓, 3t+1lo<+3s<, 3s^2a, 2a, time
24 Isadora WILLIAMS BRA 88.44 38.39 51.05 6.43 6.18 6.36 6.43 6.50 1.00 12 3z<+2t, 2a+1lo+2s, 3fe<, 3lo, 3z<↓, 1s, 2a+2t-so



JUDGES for FREESKATE: CAN LAT KOR RUS CHN FRA BEL USA GER

FINAL STANDINGS

1 - Alina ZAGITOVA OAR 239.57 1 2
2 - Evgenia MEDVEDEVA OAR 238.26 2 1
3 - Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 231.02 3 3
4 - Satoko MIYAHARA JPN 222.38 4 4
5 - Carolina KOSTNER ITA 212.48 5 5
6 - Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 209.71 6 6
7 - Dabin CHOI KOR 199.26 8 8
8 - Maria SOTSKOVA OAR 198.10 12 7
9 - Bradie TENNELL USA 192.35 11 9
10 - Mirai NAGASU USA 186.54 9 12
11 - Karen CHEN USA 185.65 10 11
12 - Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 176.75 15 13
13 - Hanul KIM KOR 175.71 21 10
14 - Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 175.19 13 15
15 - Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 172.46 7 19
16 - Loena HENDRICKX BEL 171.88 20 14
17 - Kailani CRAINE AUS 168.61 16 16
18 - Nicole SCHOTT GER 168.48 14 17
19 - Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 159.92 22 18
20 - Emmi PELTONEN FIN 157.14 18 21
21 - Alexia PAGANINI SUI 156.26 19 22
22 - Xiangning LI CHN 154.43 24 20
23 - Ivett TOTH HUN 150.43 23 23
24 - Isadora WILLIAMS BRA 144.18 17 24
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Jonas » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:16 am

Got home just in time to watch Mirai and the final group, and yeah, I watched on NBC w/Tara and Johnny. :|

Mirai was so visibly disappointed w/her SP that I thought that, even if she ultimately didn't nail everything, she'd go out blazing. Two huge pops on her Axel and Lutz. Again, no sense of performance for me. What I found a little odd was that she was smiling throughout much of her FS. Usually, she skates w/a blank emotionless face. I'm guessing she was just going to content herself w/whatever happens. She did make history w/her 3Axel here, so good for her on that.

I'll have to catch Bradie's and Karen's FS later, though I did see a clip of Bradie stepping out of her 2Axel-3toe and Karen falling on 3loop.

Miyahara kicked off the final group with quite the doozy of a skate! We tend to hone in on her teenie jumps, but they all looked good and fully rotated to me. Really solid effort overall and a commendable personal victory given her long battle back from injury. What a competitor!

Kostner hasn't nailed a 7-triple FS since Sochi, and needless to say, she needed it. Clearly behind Miyahara, IMO, and I'm glad to see that she wasn't judged too far ahead of Sakamoto.

Zagitova had a millisecond of a nervous moment w/her first 3Lutz pass, but wow what a gutsy move to tack on that 3loop on her second Lutz attempt. The backloading of and Ripponing of her jumps paid off for her. Is she younger today than Tara Lipinski was in Nagano??

After Miyahara nailed her FS, I thought Kaetlyn Osmond would be doomed. The 3loop that followed the step out on the 3Lutz proved to be the pivotal test and she passed w/flying colors. I knew she had the bronze secured! She was controlled enough throughout to nail the elements, but not too controlled to seem overly cautious as to affect the performance. And I am happy to see the gap get narrowed between her and Tuberidze's tweenies -- and that's still w/an imperfect program!

Medvedeva went for it, no holding back. From an "artistic" standpoint, I thought Medved was superior to her training mate in that she was fully invested in the performance. I thought that was just enough to sway the gold her way. Not shocked, but mildly surprised when it ended up not being enough. At the end of the day, Zagitova was just better and stronger technically -- more effortless jumps, faster spins, stronger stroking -- than her once unbeatable teammate.

The duel proved to be as exciting as advertised. The inevitable comparisons to Michelle vs Tara in Nagano surfaced and kinda played out as expected, but both girls really brought it like worthy champions. MAD RESPECT to them both for the poignant sportsmanship they showed towards each other. This duel will surely be historic, but I do hope both girls and the coaches they share bask in this well deserved celebratory moment.

I'll close by reiterating my constant appreciation for Terry Gannon. He is really as much an outsider to figure skating as many other announcers, but over the 20+ years that I've watched him cover the sport I really come to LOVE how he delves so accurately into the history of the sport. And w/all the female dogging I do about Tara being unable to keep her trap shut, it's truly refreshing to have Terry Gannon be there to keep the NBC commentary bearable. I especially liked his insightful comment re: the chances of a 19-year old Zagitova and 22-year-old Medvedeva competing in Beijing 2022: the teenaged darlings, gold-medal winning darlings from Sochi, Sotnikova and Lipniskaya, are no longer competing.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:17 am

LADIES FREESKATE RESULTS

1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA OAR 156.65 79.18 77.47 9.57 9.43 9.82 9.71 9.80 0.00 24 3f, 3z, 3f+3t, 3lo, 2a+2t+2t, 3s+3t, 2a
2 Alina ZAGITOVA OAR 156.65 81.62 75.03 9.32 9.21 9.61 9.29 9.46 0.00 22 3z, 2a+3t, 3f+2t+2lo, 3z+3lo, 3s, 3f, 2a
3 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 152.15 76.50 75.65 9.50 9.21 9.57 9.39 9.61 0.00 23 3f+3t, 2a+3t, 3z!-so, 3lo, 3f, 3s+2t+2lo, 2a
4 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN 146.44 75.20 71.24 8.93 8.64 9.07 8.89 9.00 0.00 19 3lo, 3z+3t, 3f, 3z+2t+2lo, 2a+3t, 3s, 2a
5 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 139.29 63.64 75.65 9.46 9.25 9.43 9.57 9.57 0.00 20 3z, 3f-so-2hd, 3lo, 3t, 2a+1lo<+3s, 2a, 3s+2t
6 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 136.53 68.42 68.11 8.57 8.36 8.50 8.57 8.57 0.00 21 3f+3t, 3s, 3ze, 3f+2t, 2a+3t+2t, 3lo-so, 2a
7 Maria SOTSKOVA OAR 134.24 66.94 67.30 8.39 8.14 8.54 8.43 8.57 0.00 13 3z+3t, 3f, 3lo, 3f+1lo+2s, 3z, 2a+2t, 2a
8 Dabin CHOI KOR 131.49 68.74 62.75 7.86 7.57 8.04 7.86 7.89 0.00 17 3z, 3f, 2a+3t, 3lo, 3z+3t+2t, 3s+2t, 2a
9 Bradie TENNELL USA 128.34 65.41 62.93 7.93 7.68 7.79 7.93 8.00 0.00 15 3z+3t, 2a, 3f, 2a+3t<-so, 3z<-so, 3lo+2lo+2lo, 3s
10 Hanul KIM KOR 121.38 67.03 54.35 6.96 6.46 7.00 6.68 6.86 0.00 4 3z+3t, 2a+3t, 3f!, 3lo, 3z, 3s, 2a+2t+2lo
11 Karen CHEN USA 119.75 56.65 64.10 8.18 7.64 7.96 8.07 8.00 1.00 14 3z, 3f!, 2a+1lo+3s<, 3z+2t, 3lo<↓, 3s-so, 2a
12 Mirai NAGASU USA 119.61 57.56 62.05 8.14 7.50 7.71 7.75 7.68 0.00 18 a, 3f+3t, 3s, 2a+3t+2t, 1z, 3f, 3lo+2t
13 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 118.30 60.50 58.80 7.39 7.11 7.39 7.43 7.43 1.00 7 3lo, 3z↓, 3f<, 3s+3t, 2a+3t, 2a+2t+2t, 3s
14 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 116.72 60.73 55.99 7.07 6.71 7.11 6.96 7.14 0.00 2 3z, 3f+2t, 2a, 3f, 3s+2t+2lo, 2a+2lo, 3s
15 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 114.60 57.80 56.80 7.11 6.89 7.25 7.04 7.21 0.00 11 2a+3t, 3f, 3z<+2t, 3z<, 3lo+2t+2lo, 3lo, 2a
16 Kailani CRAINE AUS 111.84 57.89 53.95 6.68 6.54 7.00 6.64 6.86 0.00 9 3z+2t, 3f, 3z<, 3lo+1lo+3s<, 3lo, 2a+2t, 2a
17 Nicole SCHOTT GER 109.27 52.68 56.59 7.04 6.82 7.04 7.18 7.29 0.00 10 3f, 3t+3t, 3f<+rep, 3s+2t, 3lo-hd, 2a, 2a+2t
18 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 106.25 55.13 52.12 6.50 6.29 6.61 6.54 6.64 1.00 3 2a, 3f, 3z+2t, 3lo, 2a+3t, 3z↓, 3s
19 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 103.56 45.81 61.75 8.00 7.64 7.39 7.93 7.64 4.00 16 3t+3t, 3z↓, 3f!-fo, 3z↓+rep, 3lo<↓, 2a+2t, 2s^2a
20 Xiangning LI CHN 101.97 50.56 51.41 6.57 6.21 6.46 6.39 6.50 0.00 5 3f+2t, 3z+2t, 3f, 3z<, 2a+1lo<+3s<, 3t<, 2a<
21 Emmi PELTONEN FIN 101.86 46.41 56.45 7.14 6.79 7.00 7.07 7.29 1.00 8 3t+3t, 3z↓, 3lo+2t, 2a+1lo+3s<, 2lo, 1f, 2a
22 Alexia PAGANINI SUI 101.00 50.94 50.06 6.43 6.00 6.29 6.32 6.25 0.00 1 3z+3t, 1a+1lo<+3s<, 3lo+2t, 3t, 3lo<, 2z, 2a
23 Ivett TOTH HUN 97.21 49.82 50.39 6.32 6.29 6.21 6.39 6.29 3.00 6 3z+2t, 3f, 3lo↓, 3z<<↓, 3t+1lo<+3s<, 3s^2a, 2a, time
24 Isadora WILLIAMS BRA 88.44 38.39 51.05 6.43 6.18 6.36 6.43 6.50 1.00 12 3z<+2t, 2a+1lo+2s, 3fe<, 3lo, 3z<↓, 1s, 2a+2t-so



JUDGES for FREESKATE: CAN LAT KOR RUS CHN FRA BEL USA GER

FINAL STANDINGS

1 - Alina ZAGITOVA OAR 239.57 1 2
2 - Evgenia MEDVEDEVA OAR 238.26 2 1
3 - Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 231.02 3 3
4 - Satoko MIYAHARA JPN 222.38 4 4
5 - Carolina KOSTNER ITA 212.48 5 5
6 - Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 209.71 6 6
7 - Dabin CHOI KOR 199.26 8 8
8 - Maria SOTSKOVA OAR 198.10 12 7
9 - Bradie TENNELL USA 192.35 11 9
10 - Mirai NAGASU USA 186.54 9 12
11 - Karen CHEN USA 185.65 10 11
12 - Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 176.75 15 13
13 - Hanul KIM KOR 175.71 21 10
14 - Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 175.19 13 15
15 - Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 172.46 7 19
16 - Loena HENDRICKX BEL 171.88 20 14
17 - Kailani CRAINE AUS 168.61 16 16
18 - Nicole SCHOTT GER 168.48 14 17
19 - Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 159.92 22 18
20 - Emmi PELTONEN FIN 157.14 18 21
21 - Alexia PAGANINI SUI 156.26 19 22
22 - Xiangning LI CHN 154.43 24 20
23 - Ivett TOTH HUN 150.43 23 23
24 - Isadora WILLIAMS BRA 144.18 17 24
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Jonas » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:18 am

Oooh, what happened to Gabby Daleman?? :shock:
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:33 am

Yamaguchi, White and company on nbcolympics really raked Bradie over the coals for her two stepouts, as if she had to take the whole blame for US Ladies Figure Skating not doing well at these Olympics. And she is the least experienced member of the team skating at her first major competition!! What a way to encourage and support a skater who has to repeat it all over again in just 3 weeks at Worlds.

OTOH, they extended their sympathies to Mirai for popping the 3a and the lutz, huge errors compared to Bradie's comparatively minor ones. And Mirai has had 11 years of senior experience at major competitions, including Worlds and Olympics. :roll:
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby sms29s66 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:39 am

Jonas, I don't understand your kudos to Terry Gannon. All he does is repackage what he hears from the commentators who actually know what they are watching. And sometimes he doesn't even wait for the next competition to repeat what he has heard from them. I am relieved that he has apparently gotten over his crush on Tara. She used to practically sit in Johnny's lap to keep away from him. I'd credit it to Metwo except that I noticed the change a couple of years back.

I heard it said that Tara was 20+ days younger than Alina when she took the gold.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Ellen » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:39 am

JimSlate71 wrote:My heart breaks for Evgenia Medvedeva, but congratulations to Alina, she skated great. I still would have given the FS and overall win to Medvedeva (greater balance, transitions, performance), but can't complain really as Zagitova was magnificent. But poor Evgenia, I feel so bad for her with all the work she's put in. Plus, she seems to be a wonderful girl with a great attitude and personality. I hope she sticks around for Beijing 2022 and takes it…..


I agree, I feel the same.
Zhenya has just said in interview that she would continue to compete, she loves figure skating and cannot live wihout it.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Mike » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:40 am

For the record, I say Medvedeva earned the gold............................
and Radionova should have been the third "OAR" Lady.

Having said that, it was a swell finish. A dramatic duel for gold and an overall excellent event,imo.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Trilogy86 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Interesting article I read regarding Nagasu. Anyone think she will be at World's? I feel like she will be moving on to other things now.

https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/02/23/2018-winter-olympics-mirai-nagasu-figure-skating-team-usa
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:18 pm

Shame on Mirai. Maybe it would be better if she didn't go to Worlds with that attitude. There's no guarantee she'd be committed to doing a better job there if she can't admit she didn't do a good job at the Olympics singles event. I'm sure Ashley would be thrilled to take her place.

At least Karen recognizes that she didn't perform the way she expected and wanted to; she will be motivated to do better at Worlds. Same for Bradie.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby JimSlate71 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:47 pm

Wow, that is terrible. My opinion of Mirai is downgraded more than her jumps usually are. I guess not everyone can have the class, grace, and sportsmanship of a Evgenia Medvedeva, but that’s just terrible from Mirai. Last night while watching the US ladies choke (save Bradie, she just didn’t do her best), I did think that if Wagner were there she wouldn’t have been the lowest ranked American....
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