2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Jonas » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:46 pm

Fernandez ties Katarina Witt's resume of six European titles! Needless to say, he'll need to skate a LOT better than this in Pyeongchang to land on the podium.

I'm sad that Kolyada did not put up the challenge to Fernandez that I know he's capable of. I'm gonna guess the pressure of growing expectation plus skating at home got to him. Missed opprtunity, IMO. RE: his score -- it seems really high, but the protocol shows where he gained his points. He rightfully lost the points on the falls and pops, but the other passes rightfully gained the positives. Spins are pretty decent. He has good flow, nice, smooth edge quality, and decent speed. It was another case, for me, of the sum of the individual elements and components was greater than the whole. Not Kolyada's best -- his teammate Dmitri Aliev rightfully beat him hands down all around here, but in no way did Bychenko do the same as Ryan Bradley may have suggested.

Speaking of Dmitri Aliev --we can say now, in retrospect, that the Russian Federation made the right call in sending him here over Sergei Voronov, who's had a really strong season before Russian Nationals. His performances here show what a complete package in today's men's field can be: quads w/choreography and expression. Presuming Aliev is Pyeongchang bound, his Euros performances would beat, IMO, Zhou's and Rippon's San Jose performances.

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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:58 pm

LADIES FREESKATE

1 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS 157.97 82.67 75.30 9.32 9.21 9.64 9.46 9.43 0.00 23 3z+3lo, 2a+3t, 3f+2t+2lo, 3z, 3s, 3f, 2a
2 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS 154.29 77.15 77.14 9.57 9.46 9.71 9.68 9.79 0.00 24 3f, 3z!, 3f+3t, 3lo, 2a+2t+2t, 3s+3t, 2a
3 Maria SOTSKOVA RUS 132.11 65.30 67.81 8.50 8.14 8.54 8.57 8.64 1.00 20 3z+3t, 3f, 3lo, 3f+1lo+3s, 3z<↓, 2a, 2a+2t
4 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 125.95 51.86 75.09 9.43 9.25 9.25 9.46 9.54 1.00 22 3z↓, 3f+2t, 3lo, 2t, 2a<-2hd, 2a, 3s+2t*
5 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 121.78 62.65 59.13 7.32 7.04 7.46 7.39 7.75 0.00 17 3z, 3f+2t, 2a, 3f, 3s+2t+2lo, 2a+1lo, 3s
6 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 110.89 52.31 58.58 7.32 7.07 7.36 7.36 7.50 0.00 21 2a+1lo+3s<, 3f<, 3z+2t, 3z<, 3lo+2lo, 3lo<, 2t
7 Nicole SCHOTT GER 109.47 54.79 54.68 6.79 6.54 6.96 6.82 7.07 0.00 9 3f, 3t+3t, 3f+2t, 3s+2t+2lo, 2lo, 2a, 2a
8 Emmi PELTONEN FIN 106.80 51.82 54.98 6.93 6.61 6.79 6.96 7.07 0.00 14 3t+3t-2hd, 3z-hd, 3lo+2t, 1a+1lo+3s, 3lo-hd, 2fe, 2a
9 Alexia PAGANINI SUI 106.67 54.90 51.77 6.46 6.21 6.61 6.39 6.68 0.00 16 3z+2t, 2a+1lo+3s, 3lo+2t, 3t, 3lo, 2z, 1a
10 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 105.56 54.53 51.03 6.43 6.00 6.29 6.32 6.14 0.00 13 2a, 3f+2t, 3z, 1lo, 2a+3t, 3z+2t, 3s
11 Micol CRISTINI ITA 99.58 51.87 47.71 6.25 5.57 6.18 5.89 5.93 0.00 1 3t+2t, 3z+2t, 3lo, 2a+1lo+3s, 3s, 2t*, 2a<
12 Laurine LECAVELIER FRA 98.75 46.16 53.59 6.79 6.32 6.64 6.89 6.86 1.00 18 3z+3t<, 3f↓, 3s<, 2a+2t-df, 3lo<, 3z+1lo+2s, 2a
13 Ivett TOTH HUN 98.28 48.40 49.88 6.43 6.00 6.29 6.32 6.14 0.00 12 3z+1t, 3f, 3lo<, 2z, 3t+1lo+3s, 2s^1a, 2a
14 Eliska BREZINOVA CZE 97.63 49.45 48.18 6.21 5.68 6.07 6.11 6.04 0.00 15 3z-so, 3t, 3z+2t, 2a, 3t+2t, 2a+1lo+2f, 2s
15 Lea Johanna DASTICH GER 96.93 53.36 44.57 5.68 5.39 5.64 5.54 5.61 1.00 7 3z, 3f+1lo+3s, 3lo+2t, 2a+3t<, 3lo, 3f↓, 2a
16 Giada RUSSO ITA 96.57 46.74 49.83 6.36 6.07 6.29 6.04 6.39 0.00 3 3f, 3f+2t, 3t, 2a, 3s<+2t, 1s, 2a+1lo+2f
17 Viveca LINDFORS FIN 96.27 48.34 49.93 6.46 6.07 6.07 6.32 6.29 2.00 11 3z+3t, 3s+2t, 3f↓, 2a, 3z, 2s, ↓steps, 1a+1lo+2f
18 Anne Line GJERSEM NOR 93.98 47.46 46.52 5.82 5.46 6.00 5.86 5.93 0.00 10 3lo+2t, 3f-so, 3t+2t+2lo-so, 3lo, 2a, 3s, 3s+rep
19 Dasa GRM SLO 89.91 47.18 43.73 5.61 5.29 5.43 5.43 5.57 1.00 6 3z!+2t, 3f<, 3z!↓, 3t+1lo+3s<, 1a+2t, 2a, 3t
20 Anita ÖSTLUND SWE 89.10 41.69 48.41 6.36 5.93 5.86 6.14 5.96 1.00 19 3f↓, 3lo, 3z<, 2t+1t, 1a+1lo, 2a+1lo+2s, 3s
21 Pernille SORENSEN DEN 88.18 48.30 39.88 5.18 4.71 5.07 5.00 4.96 0.00 2 3lo, 3t+2t+2lo, 2a, 3s+2t, 2f!+2lo, 3s, 3t
22 Elzbieta KROPA LTU 87.81 48.02 39.79 5.29 4.75 4.93 5.11 4.79 0.00 4 3t+2t, 3z!, 3f, 3lo, 3t, 2a+2t, 2a
23 Anna KHNYCHENKOVA UKR 80.86 37.10 44.76 5.93 5.29 5.61 5.68 5.46 1.00 8 2a, 2f+2t, 3lo<↓, 2a+2t, 3z<-so, 2z, 3s<
24 Silvia HUGEC SVK 77.47 38.64 39.83 5.14 4.75 4.93 5.04 5.04 1.00 5 3lo+2t, 3lo, 2z!, 3s<<, 3s<↓+rep, 2a+1lo+2f, 2a


JUDGES for FREESKATE: TUR BEL UKR NOR LAT HUN EST GBR FIN

FINAL STANDINGS: LADIES

1 - Alina ZAGITOVA RUS 238.24 1 1
2 - Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS 232.86 2 2
3 - Carolina KOSTNER ITA 204.25 3 4
4 - Maria SOTSKOVA RUS 200.81 4 3
5 - Loena HENDRICKX BEL 176.91 8 5
6 - Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 171.90 5 6
7 - Alexia PAGANINI SUI 161.62 9 9
8 - Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 159.70 10 10
9 - Emmi PELTONEN FIN 159.48 11 8
10 - Nicole SCHOTT GER 157.84 18 7
11 - Laurine LECAVELIER FRA 154.11 7 12
12 - Eliska BREZINOVA CZE 149.69 12 14
13 - Ivett TOTH HUN 148.98 15 13
14 - Viveca LINDFORS FIN 147.89 14 17
15 - Micol CRISTINI ITA 147.80 19 11
16 - Lea Johanna DASTICH GER 146.82 16 15
17 - Anita ÖSTLUND SWE 145.14 6 20
18 - Anne Line GJERSEM NOR 142.68 17 18
19 - Giada RUSSO ITA 142.38 23 16
20 - Dasa GRM SLO 137.31 20 19
21 - Pernille SORENSEN DEN 133.94 24 21
22 - Elzbieta KROPA LTU 133.87 21 22
23 - Anna KHNYCHENKOVA UKR 132.70 13 23
24 - Silvia HUGEC SVK 123.45 22 24
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby sms29s66 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:22 am

Uh oh. Is this another Tara/Michelle Olympic duel shaping up?
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Dragonlady » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:33 pm

Jonas I haven’t seen any evidence that this Skate would keep Fernandez off the podium at the Olympics. Other than Nathan Chen, who has skated like he wants it at every opportunity, none of the other men have been exactly stellar this season. Hanyu, iffy st the best of times, is coming off an injury, Chan seems disinterested. The young Russians aren’t ready for prime time, and other Japanese men have been inconsistent. The gold is Chen’s to lose st this point.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Maleeva » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:39 pm

sms29s66 wrote:Uh oh. Is this another Tara/Michelle Olympic duel shaping up?


Yep Tara vs Michelle round two. Barring complete disaster from these two, the rest of the ladies are in a full out battle for the bronze. Carolina has the short program to compete with the top two Russians but not a free program.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby JimSlate71 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:06 pm

Maleeva wrote:Yep Tara vs Michelle round two. Barring complete disaster from these two, the rest of the ladies are in a full out battle for the bronze. Carolina has the short program to compete with the top two Russians but not a free program.


Completely agree. Carolina has the best SP of the season, IMO, and if she goes clean with 3F-3T, I would put it (just barely) ahead of both clean Russian girls' SP's. Her skating skills and interpretation, for me, are enough to overcome the 10% bonus wave that Zagitova and Medvedeva are riding. However, I have never liked her current FS - I find it flat and not intriguing. And that green sparkly costume!! :shock: No ma'am. Wish she would just switch back to Bolero for the Olympics….even then, she doesn't have the technical firepower to hang with Alina and Evgenia in the free skate, but at least she'd score even higher on the PCS….
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby sms29s66 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:29 pm

Dragonlady wrote:Jonas I haven’t seen any evidence that this Skate would keep Fernandez off the podium at the Olympics. Other than Nathan Chen, who has skated like he wants it at every opportunity, none of the other men have been exactly stellar this season. Hanyu, iffy st the best of times, is coming off an injury, Chan seems disinterested. The young Russians aren’t ready for prime time, and other Japanese men have been inconsistent. The gold is Chen’s to lose st this point.


Dragonlady, I agree. Fernandez's LP has the potential to be his best ever so far as I am concerned. I can see why he may have saved it for the Olympics. It moves me to tears. The men's competition could be sublime if they all skate up to their abilities. Much as I'd like to see Chen take the gold for our country, I will be satisfied with Hanyu or Fernandez. And I'm a big fan of Shomo as well.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Jonas » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:06 am

Dragonlady wrote:I haven’t seen any evidence that this Skate would keep Fernandez off the podium at the Olympics.


If my memory serves me well, Javi won the SP in Helsinki but finished 5th in the FS and was knocked off the podium. All in all, Javi skated a comparable FS in Helsinki to the FS he did here in Moscow: fell on his second 4Sal in Helsinki, tripled it here; doubled his 3flip in Helsinki, had it downgraded w/negative GOE here.

All three medallists in Helsinki nailed four quads each in their free skates!

Looking at this season Chen, Hanyu, and Uno are trying more quads and more difficult ones at that than Javi, so I think they can all botch a quad pass and still hold an advantage technically. I really do believe Javi needs to be pretty darn close to perfect, which I think he and Brian Orser also realize. Javi most certainly can't have his 3flip downgraded when Chen and Uno (and Vincent Zhou) are both trying 4flip.

Javi is still my favorite among the guys, so I'm rooting for him to nail it in Pyeongchang a-la-Boston '16!!

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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Jonas » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:23 am

RE: Zagitova vs Medvedeva

Watching them skate one after the other, it was very clear to me that Zagitova was the winner. Her overall skating doesn't look as labored or muscled as Medvedeva's does. Zagitova's jumps are more difficult and she executes them better -- again, Medvedeva's jumps have always looked labored and carry very little speed out of them. Oh yeah, Medvedeva FLutzes! It was pretty clear change of edge, but she was spared the full edge call.

Anyway, yeah, it'll very likely be this duel for the gold in Pyeongchang. Twenty years after a 15-year-old Texan won in Nagano, 15-year-old Zagitova is poised to be the next Olympic Champion.

However, it's also worth reminding ourselves of this parallel: just four years ago, 15-year-old Julia Lipnitskaya beat her Russian teammate Adelina Sotnikova for the European title, then just brought the house down in the team event in Sochi, only to then crumble a little bit under pressure later that week.

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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby sms29s66 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:31 am

I'm betting that the pressure is on Medvedeva and she will be the one to crumble. She's been reminding me more and more of Michelle Kwan with all the hype about her invincibility. I won't be a bit surprised if she joins Kwan and Slutskaya as world champs who couldn't get it done at the Olympics. I'm sure the spectre of that weighs heavy on her right about now.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:53 pm

And where was Lipnitskaia just two years later? Bitten by the puberty bug, that's where. That's still in Zagitova's future, as she's only 15 and nearly as tiny as Yulia was.

Posters are forgetting that Evgenia was off the ice for quite a while with a foot fracture leading up to Euros. It's no wonder her skating was a bit 'labored'. I suspect she may be a tad better prepared for the Olympics.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby sms29s66 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:55 pm

All Zag has to do is hang on for three weeks. Surely the puberty bug won't bite her before then.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:12 pm

No, but she may disappear as quickly as JuLip did after 2014.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby sms29s66 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:29 pm

I'm not concerned with that. I'm thinking only of the upcoming games.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Ellen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:40 am

I was at the competition. I wanted Zhenya Medvedeva to win, and in my opinion, almost the whole hall wanted victory for Genya. Her skating brought to tears the two old ladies who were sitting next to me. Despite the success of the Russian girls there was a feeling of a little sadness. From the fact that Alina is very strong, and she can defeat Zhenya at the OIympics too, this will be a big injustice. Zhenya deserves the Olympic Gold more. Maybe thanks to Zhenya, thanks to her speech at the IOC session, Russian athletes were admitted as participants from Russia so that we could participate in team tournaments.
And it seems to me that her leg still hurts, but she hides that.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Andy » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:30 am

Jonas wrote:
chuckiem wrote:Tarasova & Morozov do a horrific job in skating THROUGH Christina Aguilera's songs (some of my faves from her, BTW), but their big ticket elements were there, for the most part, today.
Your thoughts...


Yes. They could have skated to Aguilera, a violin symphony, a washing machine going through a centrifuge cycle. I could see close to no connection to the music, and no commitment. It was almost painful to see Tarasova trying to be sassy - but at least she tried. He had no emotional relationship to the music - and this turned out in a 9.36 for interpretation and a 9.43 for perfomance. Go figures! Once more, well done to the judges for showing how to properly use the CoP.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:44 pm

Tarasova/Morozov are the most unmusical of all the Russian pairs. They can carry off the SP because it is mercifully short. But their lack of connection to the music shows up in every FS, year after year. They are great technicians, and should score well in SS and PE, but their CO and IN scores should be significantly lower.

And I agree with Ellen that Evgenia Medvedeva is still feeling pain in her foot. Poor girl, she may lose that OGM to 2018's Tara Lipinski. But there's still 2022---who knows if Alina Z will still be around then.
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Winnipeg » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:02 pm

Daleman may get the OGM..........

I like the analogy re the washing machine cycle as music....... :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2018 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby penney » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:51 am

Ellen wrote:. From the fact that Alina is very strong, and she can defeat Zhenya at the OIympics too, this will be a big injustice. Zhenya deserves the Olympic Gold more. .


Sorry, but I cringe whenever I see comments like this. Nobody deserves to win a competition before it has even started. Sporting events are supposed to be about a particular moment in time. I thought we were trying to get away from judging based on reputation.
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