2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:23 am

Sorry, couldn't report this sooner. I cannot watch this in the middle of the night so found daytime showings on the Olympic Channel and went with no spoilers.

RESULTS PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM

1 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 80.14 42.60 37.54 9.25 9.29 9.50 9.46 9.43 0.00 5
2 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN 71.37 38.46 32.91 8.29 8.07 8.18 8.39 8.21 0.00 4
3 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 63.76 32.90 30.86 7.71 7.61 7.75 7.79 7.71 0.00 6
4 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN 62.52 31.89 30.63 7.64 7.54 7.61 7.86 7.64 0.00 3
5 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 59.53 29.28 31.25 7.75 7.64 7.75 7.96 7.96 1.00 7
6 Mingyang ZHANG / Bowen SONG CHN 53.15 30.27 22.88 5.71 5.46 5.82 5.71 5.89 0.00 2
7 Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC USA 53.15 26.20 27.95 7.00 6.79 7.00 7.04 7.11 1.00 1

Tech Team

Ref Bianchetti-ITA
TC Leskinen-FIN
TS Cox-USA
ATS Collin-Knoblauch-CAN

Judges: ITA CZE CAN CHN USA BLR AUS RUS SWE

START ORDER PAIRS FREESKATE Sat Nov 4 9 pm local time / 9 am EDT

1 Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC USA
2 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA
3 Mingyang ZHANG / Bowen SONG CHN

4 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
5 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN
6 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
7 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN


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RESULTS SHORT DANCE

1 Gabrielle PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 81.10 42.35 38.75 9.61 9.57 9.79 9.71 9.75 0.00 8
2 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 72.66 35.97 36.00 36.69 9.07 9.04 9.25 9.21 9.29 0.00 9
3 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 72.34 35.78 36.56 9.21 9.00 9.21 9.14 9.14 0.00 10
4 Tiffani ZAHORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 67.62 35.93 31.69 7.86 7.75 8.04 7.93 8.04 0.00 3
5 Lorraine McNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA 63.65 34.30 29.35 7.50 7.21 7.36 7.32 7.29 0.00 7
6 Angelique ABACHKINA / Louis THAURON FRA 59.91 31.07 28.84 7.00 7.00 7.36 7.32 7.36 0.00 5
7 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT USA 59.32 30.14 29.18 7.25 7.11 7.36 7.43 7.32 0.00 6
8 Shiyue WANG / Xinyun LIU CHN 59.07 30.33 28.74 7.25 6.96 7.29 7.25 7.18 0.00 4
9 Hong CHEN / Yan ZHAO CHN 47.39 23.14 24.25 6.14 5.79 6.21 6.14 6.04 0.00 2
10 Xiaotong WANG / Kaige ZHAO CHN 38.74 18.21 20.53 5.18 4.93 5.18 5.39 5.00 0.00 1

Tech Team

Ref Mast-USA
TC Gordon Poltorak-POL
TS Grincova-SVK
ATS Elek-HUN

Judges: AUS FRA USA KOR CAN RUS HUN CHN CZE

START ORDER FREE DANCE Sat Nov 4 2:30 pm local time / 2:30 am EDT // 1:00 pm EDT Olympic Channel

1 Xiaotong WANG / Kaige ZHAO CHN
2 Hong CHEN / Yan ZHAO CHN
3 Angelique ABACHKINA / Louis THAURON FRA
4 Shiyue WANG / Xinyun LIU CHN
5 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT USA

6 Lorraine McNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA
7 Tiffani ZAHORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS
8 Gabrielle PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA
9 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
10 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS

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RESULTS LADIES SHORT PROGRAM

1 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 70.65 37.51 33.14 8.36 8.00 8.39 8.29 9.39 0.00 11 3t+3t, 3z, 2a
2 Elena RADIONOVA RUS 70.48 37.17 3.00 33.31 8.29 8.07 8.39 8.43 8.46 0.00 10 3z+3t, 3lo, 2a
3 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 70.53 37.68 32.00 32.85 8.39 7.89 8.29 8.25 8.25 0.00 9 2a, 3z+3t, 3f!
4 Mai MIHARA JPN 66.90 34.66 32.24 8.11 7.79 8.11 8.11 8.18 0.00 8 3z+3t<, 2a, 3f
5 Dabin CHOI KOR 53.90 26.10 27.80 7.04 6.71 6.89 7.07 7.04 0.00 7 3z+3t<<, 3f<, 2a
6 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS 69.44 39.01 31.43 7.82 7.71 7.71 8.11 7.93 1.00 4 3z+3lo↓, 3f, 2a
7 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS 67.10 35.67 31.43 7.89 7.50 8.07 7.82 8.00 0.00 6 3t+3t, 3z, 2a
8 Marin HONDA JPN 66.90 35.01 31.89 8.00 7.68 8.11 8.00 8.07 0.00 5 3f+3t<, 3lo, 2a
9 Xiangning LI CHN 59.20 32.95 26.25 6.68 6.18 6.75 6.64 6.57 0.00 2 3f+2t, 3z, 2a
10 Amber GLENN USA 52.61 25.78 27.83 7.14 6.79 6.68 7.11 7.07 1.00 3 3f-nc, 3z↓, 2a
11 Ziquan ZHAO CHN 50.39 26.68 24.71 6.25 6.00 6.14 6.32 6.18 1.00 1 3t+3t<↓, 3lo, 2a<

Tech Team

Ref Crane-CAN
TC Locatelli-ITA
TS Olavarrieta-MEX
ATS Kostin-LAT

Judges: ESP JPN RUS HUN CHN CAN KOR USA BLR

START ORDER LADIES FREESKATE Sat Nov 4 4:30 pm local time / 4:30 am EDT// 7 pm EDT Olympic Channel

1 Amber GLENN USA
2 Ziquan ZHAO CHN
3 Mai MIHARA JPN
4 Xiangning LI CHN
5 Dabin CHOI KOR

6 Marin HONDA JPN
7 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS
8 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS
9 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN
10 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN
11 Elena RADIONOVA RUS

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RESULTS MEN SHORT PROGRAM

1 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 103.13 59.63 43.50 8.75 8.36 8.93 8.75 8.71 0.00 11 4z, 4t+3t, 3a
2 Boyang JIN CHN 93.89 52.67 41.22 8.32 8.07 8.29 8.29 8.25 0.00 10 4z-hd+3t, 3a, 4t-to
3 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 90.57 44.35 46.22 9.11 9.18 9.18 9.29 9.46 0.00 12 3t+2t, 4s, 3a
4 Keiji TANAKA JPN 87.19 47.91 39.28 7.89 7.57 7.93 7.93 7.96 0.00 7 4s, 3f+3t, 3a
5 Max AARON USA 83.11 44.50 38.61 7.89 7.50 7.79 7.75 7.68 0.00 9 4t-df+2t, 4s, 3a-hd
6 Han YAN CHN 82.22 41.36 40.86 8.36 8.07 8.07 8.18 8.18 0.00 4 3a, 4t-2hd, 3z+2t
7 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 80.55 42.68 37.87 7.54 7.29 7.61 7.64 7.79 0.00 5 4t, 3a, 3z+3t
8 Vincent ZHOU USA 80.23 45.66 36.57 7.43 7.21 7.04 7.57 7.32 2.00 6 4z+3t, 4f↓, 3a<↓
9 Alexander PETROV RUS 68.58 32.44 36.14 7.43 7.04 7.21 7.32 7.14 0.00 8 4t<+combo+2t*, 3a, 3z
10 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 64.40 31.30 35.10 7.14 6.96 6.71 7.11 7.18 2.00 3 4s<↓-nc, 4t<↓, 3a
11 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 64.27 31.16 34.11 6.86 6.61 6.64 7.00 7.00 1.00 2 4t↓, 3z+3t, 1a*
12 He ZHANG CHN 46.99 17.95 30.04 6.43 5.79 5.71 6.18 5.93 1.00 1 4s↓, 1a*, 2z*-nc


Tech Team

Ref Crane-Can
TC Locatelli-ITA
TS Kostion-LAT
ATS Olavarrieta-MEX

Judges: AUS USA CAN CHN JPN ITA RUS ESP SWE

START ORDER FREESKATE Sat Nov 4 6:45 pm local time / 6:45 am EDT // 9 pm Olympic Channel

1 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN
2 Alexander MAJOROV SWE
3 He ZHANG CHN
4 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA
5 Vincent ZHOU USA
6 Alexander PETROV RUS

7 Han YAN CHN
8 Max AARON USA
9 Keiji TANAKA JPN
10 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP
11 Boyang JIN CHN
12 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS

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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:12 pm

RESULTS PAIRS FREESKATE

1 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 150.93 74.81 76.12 9.46 9.46 9.54 9.61 9.50 0.00 6
2 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN 134.17 65.81 68.36 8.75 8.43 8.43 8.61 8.50 0.00 7
3 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN 132.00 66.17 65.83 8.36 8.07 8.32 8.21 8.18 0.00 5
4 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 128.48 63.23 65.25 8.00 7.96 8.25 8.25 8.32 0.00 2
5 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 126.49 61.47 65.02 8.18 8.07 8.07 8.25 8.07 0.00 4
6 Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC USA 101.21 47.48 54.73 6.89 6.82 6.75 6.89 6.86 1.00 1
7 Mingyang ZHANG / Bowen SONG CHN 95.19 50.49 44.70 5.68 5.43 5.61 5.75 5.46 0.00 3


FINAL STANDINGS PAIRS

1 - Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 231.07 1 1
2 - Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN 205.54 2 2
3 - Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN 194.62 4 3
4 - Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 190.25 3 4
5 - Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 188.01 5 5
6 - Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC USA 154.36 7 6
7 - Mingyang ZHANG / Bowen SONG CHN 148.34 6 7


SUI / HAN's FS was just fantastic!
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:50 pm

RESULTS FREE DANCE

1 Gabrielle PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 119.33 60.77 58.56 9.61 9.61 9.86 9.79 9.93 0.00 8
2 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 111.84 56.27 55.57 9.11 9.21 9.36 9.32 9.32 0.00 9
3 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 110.50 55.36 55.14 9.18 8.93 9.29 9.25 9.29 0.00 10
4 Tiffani ZAHORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 96.79 48.57 48.22 8.14 7.79 8.00 8.11 8.14 0.00 7
5 Lorraine McNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA 93.96 48.99 44.97 7.43 7.18 7.61 7.64 7.61 0.00 6
6 Shiyue WANG / Xinyun LIU CHN 92.10 47.74 44.36 7.32 7.11 7.46 7.54 7.54 0.00 4
7 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT USA 91.15 46.97 44.18 7.39 7.14 7.43 7.39 7.46 0.00 5
8 Angelique ABACHKINA / Louis THAURON FRA 84.99 41.80 43.00 43.19 7.04 6.96 7.32 7.32 7.36 0.00 3
9 Hong CHEN / Yan ZHAO CHN 70.25 34.24 36.01 6.14 5.79 6.14 6.04 5.89 0.00 2
10 Xiaotong WANG / Kaige ZHAO CHN 63.92 33.49 30.43 5.18 4.86 5.11 5.21 5.00 0.00 1


FINAL STANDINGS ICE DANCE

1 - Gabrielle PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 200.43 1 1 :shock: WORLD RECORD!
2 - Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 184.50 2 2
3 - Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 182.84 3 3
4 - Tiffani ZAHORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 164.41 4 4
5 - Lorraine McNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA 157.61 5 5
6 - Shiyue WANG / Xinyun LIU CHN 151.17 8 6
7 - Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT USA 150.47 7 7
8 - Angelique ABACHKINA / Louis THAURON FRA 144.90 6 8
9 - Hong CHEN / Yan ZHAO CHN 117.64 9 9
10 - Xiaotong WANG / Kaige ZHAO CHN 102.66 10 10
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Jonas » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:22 pm

I actually woke up this morning to catch the ladies' and men's free skates, but I'll wait till you catch it before commenting.

LADIES SP:
This field was loaded! The top 7 finishers really brought it. Less than four points separated first place (Daleman) and seventh place (Mihara). Had Mihara and Honda not gotten the underrotation calls, I would guess that the point spread would've been about a buck and a half going into the free skate.

Wakaba Higuchi has really improved the "artistic" side, i.e., projecting and emoting more, which makes her already superb skating skills that much more enjoyable to watch. All respect to Daleman and Radionova, who also poured their hearts out in their short programs, but I agree w/the British EuroSport guys that Higuchi's should've been the winning SP.

MEN's SP:
Mikhail Kolyada!! WOW!! I'm probably his biggest uber on this board, but seriously. 4Lutz -- S-A-W-I-S-H. Everything was delivered effortlessly. 100+ points for that performance was well deserved, IMO.

Vincent Zhou took two spills and surprisingly ended up behind both his US teammates after the SP.

Max Aaron did appear to have dodged an underrotation call on his 4toe combo though. Far from perfect, but good for him for getting a two-quad SP out there in his first Grand Prix of the season.

PAIRS:
Sui & Han were clearly the class of this field, but more importantly I think they've established themselves here as THE Olympic Gold Medal favorites. Long gone is the appearance of a pair of teenagers awkwardly racking points doing contortionist tricks. They've really blossomed into a potentially memorable pair -- following in the skates of their current coaches!

If Duhamel & Radford reestablished themselves solidly as CAN's top pair, then I'd also say that Moore-Towers & Marinaro have stepped up to be CAN's unofficial #2 pair right now. Iliushechkina was a hot mess at Skate Canada last week, while M-T&M looked solid and poised here throughout.

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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:57 am

RESULTS LADIES FREE SKATE

1 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS 144.44 76.09 68.35 8.39 8.36 8.79 8.50 8.68 0.00 8 3z+3lo, 2a+3t, 3f+2t+2lo, 3z<, 3s, 3f, 2a
2 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 141.99 74.10 67.89 8.64 8.11 8.61 8.50 8.57 0.00 9 2a, 3z+3t, 3s, 3z+3t, 3lo, 2a+2t+2lo, 3f
3 Mai MIHARA JPN 139.17 74.45 64.72 8.14 7.79 8.32 8.07 8.14 0.00 3 3z+3t, 2a, 3f, 2a+3t, 3lo, 3z+2t+2lo, 3s
4 Elena RADIONOVA RUS 136.34 69.43 66.91 8.39 8.11 8.43 8.32 8.57 0.00 11 3z+3t, 3f!, 3z+1lo+3s, 3lo+2t, 2a, 3lo, 2a
5 Marin HONDA JPN 131.42 66.84 64.58 8.11 7.68 8.25 8.14 8.18 0.00 6 3z, 2f+3t, 2a+3t, 3f+2t+2lo, 3s, 3lo, 3f<
6 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS 129.58 66.04 63.54 8.07 7.54 8.07 8.00 8.04 0.00 7 3a-so, 3z+2t+2lo<, 3f, 3t+3t, 3lo, 3s, 2a^2a
7 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 126.18 61.05 65.13 8.29 7.89 8.18 8.21 8.14 0.00 10 3t+3t, 3fe, 3z, 3z+2t+2t, 3lo, 2a, 3s-so
8 Xiangning LI CHN 115.62 63.43 52.19 6.93 5.93 6.93 6.36 6.46 0.00 4 3f, 3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3z, 2a+1lo+3s, 3t, 2a
9 Dabin CHOI KOR 112.09 59.08 53.01 6.82 6.32 6.64 6.79 6.57 0.00 5 3z+2t, 3f, 2a+3t<, 3z+2t+2lo, 3lo, 3s, 2a
10 Amber GLENN USA 98.53 45.66 53.87 6.89 6.64 6.46 6.86 6.82 1.00 1 3f+3t, 3z↓, 2a, 3lo, 2a, 1f, 3s,
11 Ziquan ZHAO CHN 94.32 48.75 46.57 6.04 5.39 5.93 5.96 5.79 1.00 2 3z↓, 2a+2t, 3lo, 3t+2t, 3lo+1t, 3s, 2a


FINAL STANDINGS LADIES

1 - Alina ZAGITOVA RUS 213.88 4 1
2 - Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 212.52 2 2
3 - Elena RADIONOVA RUS 206.82 3 4
4 - Mai MIHARA JPN 206.07 7 3
5 - Marin HONDA JPN 198.32 6 5
6 - Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 196.83 1 7
7 - Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS 196.68 5 6
8 - Xiangning LI CHN 174.82 8 8
9 - Dabin CHOI KOR 165.99 9 9
10 - Amber GLENN USA 151.14 10 10
11 - Ziquan ZHAO CHN 144.71 11 11


All I can say about this event is WOW!!!!!!

But Higuchi SHOULD HAVE WON IT!!!
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:53 am

RESULTS MEN FREESKATE

1 Max AARON USA 176.58 96.60 79.98 8.21 7.71 8.18 8.00 7.89 0.00 12 4t+2t, 4s, 3lo, 4t, 3a+2t, 3a, 3z+1lo+3s, 2a
2 Vincent ZHOU USA 176.43 102.35 75.08 7.64 7.29 7.50 7.61 7.50 1.00 8 4z+3t, 4f-so, 4s<↓, 4z<, 3a, 4s+2t, 3lo, 3z+1lo+3f
3 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 176.25 90.11 87.14 8.89 8.57 8.54 8.82 8.75 1.00 5 4z↓, 2s, 3a+3t, 4t, 1a, 3z+1lo+3s, 3lo, 3z+2t
4 Han YAN CHN 172.39 88.67 83.72 8.54 8.04 8.46 8.39 8.43 0.00 7 3a+3t, 4t, 3a, 3z, 3lo, 3z+2t+2lo, 3s, 3f!
5 Boyang JIN CHN 170.59 92.81 78.78 8.21 7.54 7.89 7.86 7.89 1.00 11 4z, 4s, 3a+1lo+3s, 4t, 4t+rep, 3a↓, 3z+3t, 3f
6 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 162.49 72.93 89.56 8.89 8.96 8.61 9.18 9.14 0.00 10 3t, 4s, 3a, 3s+2t, 3lo, 3a+rep, 3z, 2f+1lo+2s
7 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 162.10 88.16 73.94 7.43 7.18 7.43 7.54 7.39 0.00 1 1lo, 4t, 4s<+3t, 3a, 3f+3t+3lo<, 3s, 3z+3lo
8 Keiji TANAKA JPN 159.98 81.40 79.58 8.04 7.79 7.89 8.00 8.07 1.00 9 4s, 3t, 3a, 3s, 3a+2t+2lo, 3f+3t, 3z
9 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 135.89 63.83 73.06 7.43 7.14 7.11 7.39 7.46 1.00 4 2t, 3a+2t, 4t<↓, 1a, 3z+1lo+3s, 3lo, 3f!, 3t+1t
10 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 121.77 53.63 69.14 7.00 6.79 6.75 6.96 7.07 1.00 2 2t, 3a+2t, 3z, 1f, 1a, 2a+3t, 3t+2t*+2lo, ↓spin, 3s
11 He ZHANG CHN 120.59 59.15 61.44 6.50 5.86 6.14 6.18 6.04 0.00 3 4s, 3a, 3z+3t, 2a, 3z, 3lo, 3fe, 2a
12 Alexander PETROV RUS 117.44 56.04 67.40 6.96 6.64 6.32 6.96 6.82 6.00 6 4t<<, 3a+2t, 3a↓, 3z+2t, 3f↓, 3z↓, 3lo↓, 2a+2t*



FINAL STANDINGS MEN

1 - Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 279.38 1 3
2 - Boyang JIN CHN 264.48 2 5
3 - Max AARON USA 260.19 5 1
4 - Vincent ZHOU USA 256.66 8 2
5 - Han YAN CHN 254.61 6 4
6 - Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 253.06 3 6
7 - Keiji TANAKA JPN 247.17 4 8
8 - Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 226.50 10 7
9 - Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 216.44 7 9
10 - Alexander MAJOROV SWE 186.04 11 10
11 - Alexander PETROV RUS 186.02 9 12
12 - He ZHANG CHN 167.58 12 11


The men's final was as disappointing as the ladies was thrilling. When Max Aaron gets the 4th highest PCS score, you KNOW it was a weird competition.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Jonas » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:39 am

Yes, this was some ladies' event here. I cannot remember a Grand Prix event where 7 ladies all put out pairs of medal worthy performances.

I also felt Higuchi should've won this event. Watching her skate right after Zagitova, I thought Higuchi looked faster, more powerful, more polished, more expressive, and just overall had the better performance of a better choreographed program. IMO, Higuchi should've beaten Zagitova on every component. Zagitova looked comparatively juniorish, albeit a very, very good junior, but won on her ability to land all 7 triples and 2 2Axels with arms over head past the halfway point. Oh well.

The men's FS were a let down. Javi tanked big time.

Kolyada was hot and cold throughout his program: big fall on 4Lutz and singled a planned 4Sal and one of his 3Axels. His lead after the short gave him the victory here.

It's huge that Max Aaron beat Vincent Zhou in both segments here en route to the podium. Max did four clean quads out of five attempts over two programs here (5th attempt was two-footed 4toe combo), so al in all a very good outing for Max here. He'll need to build on this for Grand Prix FRA. Particularly, he'll need to be able to tack on a 3toe on his quad combos in both programs, plus more importantly, he'll need to put a lot more stank in his performance level. As utterly unoriginal his music selections are, I think they, the FS probably more so, can work really well for Max.

I probably would've put Han Yan ahead of Vincent Zhou overall also. Had he been able to tack on the 2toe on his last 3flip, he may have been able to do it. Just one 4toe for Han compared to five attempts from Zhou, but Han's superior overall quality, i.e., +3-worthy 3Axel, and superior performance ability, was evident to me. Still, it was the best FS I've seen from Han Yan, really, since Sochi.

NHK Trophy's live TV broadcasts are even less friendly than Cup of CHN, so I may have to watch the later reruns next week.

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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:10 pm

The only good thing about the broadcast times of NHK are that the SD and FD start at 10:45 pm EST Fri and 9:45 EST Sat , respectively, so I can watch those live. The rest I will catch on the Olympic Channel earlier in the day.

Although it was tough for me NOT to peek at the results, I really didn't do it.

It was a bit mind-boggling to see Papadakis/Cizeron outscore V/M at CoC. I hadn't expected that---I figured that might happen on home ice, at TDF, and is all the more impressive because it wasn't on home ice.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby bumphystars » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:12 pm

P/C's scores are surprising to me as well. They are not at the level of V/M, especially with the SD. I realize that they were a few points behind V/M in the SD score, but not by enough. They don't interpret the Latin rhythm nearly as well.

What's crazy here is that we are even seeing world record scores from either team this early in the season! That's not typical.

It will be interesting to see how they stack up when they compete against each other with the same panel. The total scores are very, very close at the moment, and it will depend on how each team performs on the day.

That said, it's hard to ignore the possibility of a political play...

Also, agree about MT/M potentially coming in as Canada #2. I was surprised to see them behind Luba and Dylan at nationals last year. I was at the event and everyone around us thought they were basically tied.

Sad about Javi, though I read that he had the flu. Ashley Cain too. Tough luck.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Maleeva » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:48 pm

Very glad to see here that the judges have not pre-ordained Virtue and Moir the Olympic champs. I want to see a healthy competition at the Olympics and the scores PapCiz received here pretty much assure we at least have a two team race for Olympic Gold. I'm sure Chock and Bates were thrilled to beat BobSolo their first time out this season-especially since BobSolo have skated multiple times this season.

I would have had Higuchi in first place here. She was so on technically and expressed herself to the best of her ability. This was my first time seeing Zagatova. Color me impressed with her dance and musical abilities.

I really enjoyed Mihara's free music. She skated to orchestrations from the Mission that I've never heard before and she performed to the music with such elan. This was the first time I have been moved by her skating.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:38 am

Maybe P/C don't do Latin as well as V/M, but IMO their FD is superior to V/M's Moulin Rouge.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Andy » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:01 am

bumphystars wrote:P/C's scores are surprising to me as well. They are not at the level of V/M, especially with the SD. I realize that they were a few points behind V/M in the SD score, but not by enough. They don't interpret the Latin rhythm nearly as well.



I have to respectfully disagree on this, Bumphy. I am not a big fan of this year's SD rhythms, and I must say that only a very few couples (and far between) in history of skating have made latin rhythms interesting for my personal taste. That said, V/M SD is in my book a tad more interesting than that of PapCiz from a composition and interpretation point of view. Regarding the FD, I find V/M fantastic skaters and the first time I saw their FD I thought that there would be no competition - but then I saw PapCiz and I would have their FD at par with V/M's, if not above.

We can discuss on whether V/M bring some more maturity to their skating than PapCiz (especially Pap), but in terms of skating I find Cizeron superior to Moir (or to any other male skater at the moment). In terms of PCS, I would be hard pressed in choosing one of the team above the other. If I look at some technical elements, my preference would go to PapCiz (twizzles, rotational lift, dance spin, for example). I think it will come down to how they will perform on the night of the competition.

For sure, the stage is set for an exciting dance battle!
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Andy » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:58 pm

Jonas wrote:
I also felt Higuchi should've won this event. Watching her skate right after Zagitova, I thought Higuchi looked faster, more powerful, more polished, more expressive, and just overall had the better performance of a better choreographed program. IMO, Higuchi should've beaten Zagitova on every component. Zagitova looked comparatively juniorish, albeit a very, very good junior, but won on her ability to land all 7 triples and 2 2Axels with arms over head past the halfway point. Oh well.


Agreed on that. And I was happy to see Radionova skate as well as she did, with her technique coming back to where it should be -and no, I ma not crazy about her 3Z :twisted: -. I would have a technically sound, mature, interpretative Radionova over a boring (to my taste), albeit technically superior, Medvedeva any given day. Zagitova is a wonderful prospect for the future. I hope she will survive the puberty monster in a healthier way than JuLip did.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Virginia » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:06 am

Can't warm up to Radionova's skating. The child just flails. Watching her skate is like nails on a chalkboard.

Now, Sotskova? Night and day. She's light and delicate and etheral, lovely to watch, without Medvedeva's sometimes mechanical quality. She's my favorite of the Russian ladies, though I have soft spot for poor Anna Pogorilaya. So sad to be 19 and chased off the scene by the prepubescent jumpers, but that seems to be how Russian ladies' skating is going these days ...
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:11 am

I like Sotskova, too, the most of all the Russian ladies because of her elegant style. I don't think I will ever like Zagitova much because of her bent-over posture which will probably get worse as she matures.

Radionova has always had suspect technique and she has posture problems, too. But what I've always liked about her is her expressiveness.

I did think Mihara should have won bronze at CoC rather than Radionova. Mihara's FS was squeaky clean and quite touching.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby sms29s66 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:51 am

I wonder how much of Radionova's perceived posture problems has to do with the fact that the poor girl has no neck. Once I realized this, I started feeling sorry for her. That has to be the reason for her hair styles.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Andy » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:28 pm

Virginia wrote:Can't warm up to Radionova's skating. The child just flails. Watching her skate is like nails on a chalkboard.

Now, Sotskova? Night and day. She's light and delicate and etheral, lovely to watch, without Medvedeva's sometimes mechanical quality. She's my favorite of the Russian ladies, though I have soft spot for poor Anna Pogorilaya. So sad to be 19 and chased off the scene by the prepubescent jumpers, but that seems to be how Russian ladies' skating is going these days ...


You raise interesting points. It is funny what you say about Sotskova: I fully recon all you say, but she does not move me in the least. Beautiful, ethereal, elegant. For my taste, also not expressive at all. I confess I still have to see her this season, so maybe (hopefully) I will change my opinion. I also have a soft spot for Pogo, who is in fact my favourite Russian at the moment. Too bad inconsistencies and injuries have been plaguing her. She is the one that brought some of the most interesting programs to the arena, in my book.

As for the Russian strategy of having yet the next girl skating in the ladies division, it comes down again to the CoP not being applied properly. Were the junior skaters marked as junior skaters, the problem would solve by itself. And we would have real seniors in the competition.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby bumphystars » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:41 pm

Andy wrote:
bumphystars wrote:P/C's scores are surprising to me as well. They are not at the level of V/M, especially with the SD. I realize that they were a few points behind V/M in the SD score, but not by enough. They don't interpret the Latin rhythm nearly as well.



I have to respectfully disagree on this, Bumphy. I am not a big fan of this year's SD rhythms, and I must say that only a very few couples (and far between) in history of skating have made latin rhythms interesting for my personal taste. That said, V/M SD is in my book a tad more interesting than that of PapCiz from a composition and interpretation point of view. Regarding the FD, I find V/M fantastic skaters and the first time I saw their FD I thought that there would be no competition - but then I saw PapCiz and I would have their FD at par with V/M's, if not above.

We can discuss on whether V/M bring some more maturity to their skating than PapCiz (especially Pap), but in terms of skating I find Cizeron superior to Moir (or to any other male skater at the moment). In terms of PCS, I would be hard pressed in choosing one of the team above the other. If I look at some technical elements, my preference would go to PapCiz (twizzles, rotational lift, dance spin, for example). I think it will come down to how they will perform on the night of the competition.

For sure, the stage is set for an exciting dance battle!


Agreed, it will be an amazing dance event.

I love V/M so much that I admit that I can easily lose all objectivity. (Hey, at least I admit it!) But I would be curious to see them both live to assess their ice coverage and attack from a better vantage. That's very difficult to glean over the tv. In particular the pattern and the side-by-side non-touching footwork in the SD; I'm not sure that P/C get the same ice coverage as V/M. And V/M match better in their lines, IMO.

As for the FD, my main issue with P/C is that it is the same that we've seen from them in past years. It's beautiful, but we've seen it before; I wish they had tried something new.

I could watch Guillaume Cizeron skate all day. He is insanely gorgeous.
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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby Jonas » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:00 pm

I enjoyed Radionova the most during the 2014-2015 season. She had a bit of a growth spurt then, but it was just enough to make her presence look more mature and to provide her with more strength in her glide. I also really liked her Rachmaninoff FS back then as opposed to that God-awful Titanic theme she skated with in 2015-2016.

She's continued growing steadily. Last season especially, her body has really blossomed to be more womanly and it's really wreaked some havoc on her jumps and her stroking looks a little more labored than it was back then. And, yes, her posture looks more awkward as well. Her competitive spirit is still very much there, so that'll bode very well for her as she continues to adjust w/her new body in competition. Very much like Max Aaron among the US men, Radionova's bronze medal here keeps her in the game for the Russian ladies' Olympic Team, but needless to say it's gonna be a tough battle at Russian Nationals.

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Re: 2017 GP#3 CUP of CHINA 11/3-5 BEIJING CHN

Postby chuckiem » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:56 pm

Radionova's posture problem has been due more to her hunching her shoulders before she jumps, but she seems to have been working a bit on that and she does that less. Yes, she does have a very short neck. The hairstyles do help there, but most of all, the costumes of late have been the biggest help. Her FS costume (the red one) is not only beautiful, but it is all illusion from the shoulders on up, which keeps attention away from her neck.

She had some cringeworthy costumes in her earlier years, with lots of sparkles and spangles around her face, making it look as if her head was sitting directly on her shoulders!
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