How to be more fair on judging if rotations of a jump?

How to be more fair on judging if rotations of a jump?

Postby cxb » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:39 pm

The competition of singles are more and more fierce at the highest technical level in history.

On one hand, we want to see the sport progressive with more skaters doing difficult jumps; on the other hand, it has never been so in desperate need to provide a fair competition to all skaters for the long-term healthy growth of this sport.

What I meant by that was that I noticed some skaters did not complete the full rotation of the upper body in the air before landing. For these skaters, they would twist their feet and ankles to the angle where the rotation could be deemed a completion on the landing. And at that exact moment of landing with less than a flick o eyes, the upper body would then completed the rotation to the angle/direction of the landing foot. Thus they made it look like a successful jump with full rotation with upper body rotation completion after landing in less than a thousandth of a second.

This is not fair to other athletes and definitely hurt the long-term health of this sport.

With today's advanced technology, this can be solved with the slow motion calculation through a computer with a body line drawn from head to feet to see the position of the full body easily.
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Re: How to be more fair on judging if rotations of a jump?

Postby cxb » Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:18 am

Also we need to deduct points or GOE on pre-rotation of more than 30 degrees and more deduction on the pre-rotation which makes the take-off edge or toe blur. That is more deduction for blur take-off.

If we don't take serious and immediate actions, then we are heading to the opposite direction of clean sports and promote cheating as the ulmost rewards to athletes and coaches.

In a way, it is not fair to blame the athletes who cheat or the coach who teach the tricks of cheating,; rather it is the skating federation who is responsible for creating this wrong mentality to this sports.
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Re: How to be more fair on judging if rotations of a jump?

Postby Dragonlady » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:27 pm

The rules state that the rotation is not determined by upper body rotation, but by the rotation of the landing foot. These are the rules. If the feet, which are the last to the leave the ice, complete the rotations, without a touch-down, a "hook" in the landing edge, or similar signs of under-rotation, the rotation is complete, so I fail to see that what you call a "cheat" in the rotation, is in fact a cheat.

Since it is essential that skaters rotate their feet in order to get credit for the jump, ensuring a "feet first" completion is hardly "cheating" the jump, and if the feet are so badly out of alignment with the body as to be "cheating the rotation", it is highly unlikely that the skater will successful stand up the jump. That's simple physics and body mechanics.
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