2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Maleeva » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:43 am

Tanith White said on nbcsn coverage that the US might not get two teams in pairs next year because of some complex rule that only five countries can send 3 and 2 teams in pairs. And since Italy placed higher than the US they get to send two teams and not the US. I may have gotten the details wrong but that was the jest of what she said.

I've never heard of this rule. Anyone know the facts?
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby chuckiem » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:28 pm

SHORT DANCE RESULTS

1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 82.43 43.74 38.69 9.57 9.54 9.75 9.68 9.82 0.00 20
2 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 76.89 38.53 38.36 9.57 9.43 9.64 9.64 9.68 0.00 30
3 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 76.53 40.47 36.06 8.86 8.79 9.18 9.07 9.18 0.00 31
4 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 76.25 39.11 37.14 9.18 9.14 9.36 9.32 9.43 0.00 32
5 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 74.88 37.79 37.09 9.21 9.18 9.32 9.32 9.32 0.00 28
6 Kaitlin WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 74.84 38.15 36.69 9.11 9.00 9.32 9.14 9.29 0.00 29
7 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 73.70 37.58 36.12 8.96 8.86 9.11 9.04 9.18 0.00 27
8 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitry SOLOVIEV RUS 73.54 36.68 36.86 9.18 9.07 9.29 9.21 9.32 0.00 25
9 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 72.83 37.58 35.25 8.68 8.71 8.93 8.86 8.89 0.00 26
10 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS 69.07 34.84 34.23 8.61 8.29 8.68 8.54 8.68 0.00 23
11 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 67.56 34.02 33.54 8.29 8.21 8.46 8.43 8.54 0.00 24
12 Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO ISR 66.27 32.93 33.34 8.36 8.00 8.50 8.39 8.43 0.00 22
13 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 66.05 36.10 30.95 7.71 7.54 7.82 7.79 7.82 1.00 19
14 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 63.86 34.09 29.77 7.46 7.32 7.46 7.50 7.46 0.00 21
15 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksim SPODIREV POL 63.37 33.56 29.81 7.32 7.29 7.57 7.57 7.50 0.00 17
16 Olivia SMART / Adria DIAZ ESP 60.93 32.24 28.69 7.07 7.00 7.29 7.21 7.29 0.00 5
17 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 60.80 31.21 29.59 7.39 7.18 7.54 7.43 7.46 0.00 16
18 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN 60.77 31.89 28.88 7.21 6.96 7.39 7.25 7.29 0.00 18
19 Yura MIN / Alexander GAMELIN KOR 57.47 30.33 27.14 6.79 6.50 7.00 6.75 6.89 0.00 11
20 Kavita LORENZ / Panagiotis POLIZOAKIS GER 57.10 28.89 28.21 7.04 6.82 7.18 7.11 7.11 0.00 6


FINAL NOT REACHED:

21 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Rpmain LEGAC FRA 56.43 28.12 28.31 7.04 6.89 7.11 7.21 7.14 0.00 8
22 Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON GBR 54.82 28.96 25.86 6.50 6.21 6.50 6.50 6.61 0.00 2
23 Kana MURAMOTO / Chris REED JPN 54.68 26.53 28.15 7.04 6.82 7.11 7.04 7.18 0.00 9
24 Cecilia TÖRN / Jussiville PARTANEN FIN 52.22 25.79 26.43 6.57 6.46 6.75 6.61 6.64 0.00 3
25 Tina GARABEDIAN / Simon PROULX-SENECAL ARM 51.39 26.47 24.92 6.36 6.04 6.29 6.29 6.18 0.00 12
26 Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN CZE 51.02 25.54 25.48 6.46 6.18 6.46 6.43 6.32 0.00 10
27 Viktoria KAVALIOVA / Yurii BIELIAIEV BLR 49.73 24.56 25.17 6.43 6.11 6.39 6.36 6.18 0.00 13
28 Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Pierre SOUQUET FRA 49.51 23.83 25.68 6.46 6.14 6.57 6.46 6.46 0.00 15
29 Olga JAKUSHINA / Andrey NEVSKIY LAT 48.26 24.35 24.91 6.21 6.07 6.39 6.25 6.21 1.00 14
30 Taylor TRAN / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU 46.14 22.99 23.15 5.68 5.61 5.86 6.00 5.79 0.00 7
31 Anastasia GALYETA / Avidan BROWN AZE 45.58 24.01 22.57 5.68 5.43 5.82 5.71 5.57 1.00 1
32 Tatiana KOZMAVA / Alexei SHUMSKI GEO 42.71 21.20 21.51 5.43 5.32 5.46 5.39 5.29 0.00 4


JUDGES FOR SHORT DANCE: USA RUS ISR FRA KOR CZE CAN TUR ESP

FREE DANCE Saturday 4:35 pm local time / 9:35 am EDT

Start Order

1 Kavita LORENZ / Panagiotis POLIZOAKIS GER
2 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR
3 Yura MIN / Alexander GAMELIN KOR
4 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN
5 Olivia SMART / Adria DIAZ ESP

6 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR
7 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
8 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN
9 Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO ISR
10 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksim SPODIREV POL

*** *** *** *** *** ZAMBONI *** *** *** *** ***

11 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS
12 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
13 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitry SOLOVIEV RUS
14 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA
15 Kaitlin WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN

16 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
17 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA
18 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA
19 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN
20 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Trilogy86 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:00 pm

Maleeva wrote:Tanith White said on nbcsn coverage that the US might not get two teams in pairs next year because of some complex rule that only five countries can send 3 and 2 teams in pairs. And since Italy placed higher than the US they get to send two teams and not the US. I may have gotten the details wrong but that was the jest of what she said.

I've never heard of this rule. Anyone know the facts?


I am not sure of that rule, but the standard rule is if there are two teams entered, the total placements need to add up to 28 or less in order for 2 teams to qualify for the Olympics. In this case, USA was 10 and 20, which adds to 30, and therefore only one spot earned.
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Virginia » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:13 pm

Maleeva wrote:

Tanith White said on nbcsn coverage that the US might not get two teams in pairs next year because of some complex rule that only five countries can send 3 and 2 teams in pairs. And since Italy placed higher than the US they get to send two teams and not the US. I may have gotten the details wrong but that was the jest of what she said.

I've never heard of this rule. Anyone know the facts?


I don't know the facts, but Christine Brennan of USA TODAY is reporting the same thing -- without explaining the "arcane rule": http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2017/03/30/us-figure-skating-one-pairs-team-olympics/99846036/

Nothing from Philip Hersh of the Chicago Tribune yet; I find him to be one of the most knowledgeable and reputable of the sportswriters who cover skating.

I suspect this particular bombshell just broke this morning -- and I fully expect the USFSA to protest.

I understand that the Olympic organizers are trying to limit the number of athletes, but pairs, after all, is the most thinly populated of the disciplines. They also need to take into account the fact that the USA is a shoo-in to make the Olympic team event, and one pair really isn't enough. This lone couple will have to skate the short and the free in the team event, then gear up immediately to repeat both in the individual pairs competition, which is almost sure to follow immediately after (I've noticed that the Olympics always follow the traditional competition order of pairs - men - dance - ladies).

Russia complained, very reasonably in my view, that it was unfair to expect their lone male entrant to Sochi to carry the burden in both the team and individual event -- and indeed, that lone skater was physically unable to compete in the men's event once the team gold was secured, leaving no Russian man on the ice. A second Russian skater could have shared the burden, allowing Plushenko to try to compete in the individual competition. (There's no way to know if his injury would have allowed it or not.)

The US is facing in the same position next year in Pyeongchang with a lone pair -- and our second pair is being held back by an "arcane" and "complex" rule which really doesn't make any sense. Somebody needs to take a second look at this.

Trilogy86 wrote:
I am not sure of that rule, but the standard rule is if there are two teams entered, the total placements need to add up to 28 or less in order for 2 teams to qualify for the Olympics. In this case, USA was 10 and 20, which adds to 30, and therefore only one spot earned.


According to what Tanith said on the air last night, anybody who placed 18th or lower is assigned the number 18 -- so Denney and Frazier get an 18. The Knierims needed to be in the top 10 to get to the magic 28, which they just managed. But now, it seems, an arcane rule is being dusted off to deny the US the second spot!
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Trilogy86 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:51 pm

Virginia wrote:
Maleeva wrote:

Tanith White said on nbcsn coverage that the US might not get two teams in pairs next year because of some complex rule that only five countries can send 3 and 2 teams in pairs. And since Italy placed higher than the US they get to send two teams and not the US. I may have gotten the details wrong but that was the jest of what she said.

I've never heard of this rule. Anyone know the facts?


I don't know the facts, but Christine Brennan of USA TODAY is reporting the same thing -- without explaining the "arcane rule": http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2017/03/30/us-figure-skating-one-pairs-team-olympics/99846036/

Nothing from Philip Hersh of the Chicago Tribune yet; I find him to be one of the most knowledgeable and reputable of the sportswriters who cover skating.

I suspect this particular bombshell just broke this morning -- and I fully expect the USFSA to protest.

I understand that the Olympic organizers are trying to limit the number of athletes, but pairs, after all, is the most thinly populated of the disciplines. They also need to take into account the fact that the USA is a shoo-in to make the Olympic team event, and one pair really isn't enough. This lone couple will have to skate the short and the free in the team event, then gear up immediately to repeat both in the individual pairs competition, which is almost sure to follow immediately after (I've noticed that the Olympics always follow the traditional competition order of pairs - men - dance - ladies).

Russia complained, very reasonably in my view, that it was unfair to expect their lone male entrant to Sochi to carry the burden in both the team and individual event -- and indeed, that lone skater was physically unable to compete in the men's event once the team gold was secured, leaving no Russian man on the ice. A second Russian skater could have shared the burden, allowing Plushenko to try to compete in the individual competition. (There's no way to know if his injury would have allowed it or not.)

The US is facing in the same position next year in Pyeongchang with a lone pair -- and our second pair is being held back by an "arcane" and "complex" rule which really doesn't make any sense. Somebody needs to take a second look at this.

Trilogy86 wrote:
I am not sure of that rule, but the standard rule is if there are two teams entered, the total placements need to add up to 28 or less in order for 2 teams to qualify for the Olympics. In this case, USA was 10 and 20, which adds to 30, and therefore only one spot earned.


According to what Tanith said on the air last night, anybody who placed 18th or lower is assigned the number 18 -- so Denney and Frazier get an 18. The Knierims needed to be in the top 10 to get to the magic 28, which they just managed. But now, it seems, an arcane rule is being dusted off to deny the US the second spot!


Oh, I was not aware they did the cut-off! My apologies!
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby rosima » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:02 pm

Wow! Osmond silver and Daleman bronze.
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Virginia » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:15 pm

Canada should be very, very proud. Can't wait to get home from work and watch!
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Jonas » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:49 pm

Wow, where do I start?!?!

Aside from the medallists, Mai Mihara, and Dabin Choi, that was some slummy skating. I'm not going to be watching this event again any time soon, if ever.

No surprise, Medvedeva repeated. No surprise, it looks like she may have broken another scoring record.

Kaetlyn Osmond winning a medal wasn't that big a surprise to me, but Gabby Daleman winning one also was! Both well deserved.

Mai Mihara made a flukish, but very costly mistake in the SP and then threw it down like we knew she could in the FS. Wakaba Higuchi showcased her potential with a beautiful SP, but came undone in the FS. Knowing that Japan is down to just two spots for Pyeongchang, I'll find it very interesting to see how the Japanese ladies step up their games in the Fall. Japan's senior and junior World teams plus Mao, on their best days, are quite the group of skaters.

Ashley Wagner skated with absolutely no attack -- even worse than her Cup of China FS in the fall, IMO. A second World medal was right there for the taking -- and in hindsight, she probably would've won one had she skated like she wanted it. The only reason the US has three spots is all of Wakaba Higuchi, Sotskova, and Pogorilaya flubbed after her and Karen Chen held her own just enough in her Worlds debut.

Speaking of our new US Champ, you can say that she saved the day for the USA and our seemingly endless concern over having three ladies at the Olympics. She had the two big spills at the end, but combined with some of the other skaters' flubs, she did enough. It was funny to watch Karen and Tammy Gambill in the Kiss & Cry: I had a feeling they were looking at the placements very closely. Ironically, if Karen didn't deliver, Ashley probably would've gotten more flack for losing that spot.

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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby chuckiem » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:21 pm

LADIES FREE SKATE RESULTS

1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS 154.40 78.27 76.13 9.43 9.25 9.68 9.54 9.68 0.00 22 3f+3t, 3z, 3lo, 3f, 2a+2t+2t, 3s+3t, 2a
2 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 142.15 70.21 71.94 8.93 8.68 9.14 9.00 9.21 0.00 24 3f+3t, 2a+3t-so, 3z, 2lo, 3f, 3s, 2a+2t+2lo
3 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 141.33 71.73 69.60 8.71 8.32 9.00 8.68 8.79 0.00 23 3t+3t, 3z, 3f, 3z+2t+2t, 3lo, 2a, 3s^2a-so
4 Mai MIHARA JPN 138.29 74.40 63.89 8.18 7.46 8.29 8.00 8.00 0.00 12 3z+3t, 3f, 2a, 2a+3t, 3z+2t+2lo, 3lo, 3s
5 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 130.50 59.47 71.03 8.82 8.68 8.71 9.00 9.18 0.00 17 3t+3t, 3f, 3lo, 1lo+2t, 2a+1lo+2s, 2a, 3s
6 Karen CHEN USA 129.31 65.98 64.33 8.29 7.89 8.00 8.18 8.14 1.00 20 3z+3t, 3f, 2a+1lo+3s, 3lo, 3s+2t, 3z<↓, 2a-so
7 Da Bin CHOI KOR 128.45 69.72 58.73 7.50 7.07 7.46 7.39 7.29 0.00 13 3z+3t, 3f, 2a+3t, 3lo, 3z+2t+2lo, 3s, 2a
8 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 126.51 68.36 58.15 7.39 6.89 7.32 7.39 7.36 0.00 15 3z+3t, 3f, 3s+3t, 2a+3t, 3lo, 2a+2t+2lo, 3s
9 Mariah BELL USA 126.21 65.29 60.92 7.68 7.39 7.68 7.61 7.71 0.00 11 3z, 3lo, 2a+3t, 3f!+1lo+2s, 3z+2t, 2a-so, 3f
10 Ashley WAGNER USA 124.50 56.33 68.17 8.54 8.32 8.43 8.57 8.75 0.00 16 2a, 3f+1t, 2a+2t, 3lo+1lo+3s<, 3f<, 3lo, 3ze
11 Maria SOTSKOVA RUS 122.44 58.65 64.79 8.29 7.89 8.00 8.18 8.14 1.00 19 3z+3t, 3f, 3lo, 2f+1lo+3s, 3z<<↓, 2a+2t, 2a<
12 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 122.18 59.47 63.71 8.14 7.57 8.04 8.04 8.04 1.00 18 3z+3t, 3lo-to, 3s, 2a, 2z, 3f+2t+2lo, 2a+3t<<↓
13 Xiangning LI CHN 117.09 62.69 54.40 7.00 6.39 6.93 6.75 6.93 0.00 9 3f+3t<, 3z, 3lo, 2a+1lo+3s, 3f, 3s
14 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 115.28 58.65 56.63 7.11 6.71 7.32 7.07 7.18 0.00 8 3z, 3f+2t, 3f, 1a, 2a+1lo, 3s+2t+2lo, 3s
15 Anna POGORILAYA RUS 111.85 53.00 62.85 8.21 7.79 7.25 8.07 7.96 4.00 21 1z, 3f↓, 2a, 3z+3t↓, 3lo, 3lo+rep↓, 2a
16 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 108.47 55.67 52.80 6.86 6.25 6.68 6.57 6.64 0.00 7 3z+2t, 3f, 3lo+2t+2lo, 3z<<, 3lo, 3t, 2a
17 Laurine LECAVELIER FRA 107.50 55.18 53.32 6.86 6.21 6.71 6.79 6.75 1.00 2 3z+3t<<↓, 3f, 3s, 2a+3t, 3lo, 3z+1lo+2s, 2a
18 Rika HONGO JPN 107.28 50.96 57.32 7.39 6.75 7.04 7.36 7.29 1.00 14 2f, 3s+2t+2lo, 3z, 2a+3t<, 3s, 3f<+2t, 3f<↓
19 Nicole SCHOTT GER 105.68 51.66 54.02 6.82 6.54 6.93 7.00 7.04 0.00 5 3lo, 2f, 3t, 3s+2t+2lo, 3s, 2a, 2a+2t
20 Zijun LI CHN 103.50 53.96 49.54 6.46 5.93 6.18 6.14 6.25 0.00 1 3f+3t<, 3z, 2a+3t, 3lo<, 3f, 3s, 2a
21 Ivett TOTH HUN 99.77 47.10 53.67 6.86 6.46 6.50 6.93 6.79 1.00 10 3z+1lo+3s, 1lo, 3f<<↓, 2a, z, 3t^2a, 3s+2t
22 Angelina KUCHVALSKA LAT 99.10 49.08 50.02 6.54 5.93 6.36 6.25 6.18 0.00 4 3z, 3f<, 2a+3t, 2t+2t, 3s+1lo+1f, 3s, 2a
23 Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM 98.27 49.82 48.45 6.21 5.75 6.07 6.07 6.18 0.00 6 3z, 3f!+2t, 3lo, 1f!, 3s+2t+2lo, 3t<^2a, 2a
24 Kailani CRAINE AUS 95.97 47.93 49.04 6.36 5.79 6.18 6.07 6.25 1.00 3 3f, 3ze↓, 3lo, 3f+rep, 3lo+2t, 2a+2t, 2a


JUDGES FOR THE LADIES FREE SKATE: LAT CZE SLO FRA SWE AUT JPN NOR SUI

FINAL STANDINGS, LADIES:

1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS 233.41 1 1
2 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 218.13 2 2
3 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN 213.45 3 3
4 Karen CHEN USA 199.29 5 6
5 Mai MIHARA JPN 197.88 15 4
6 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 196.83 8 5
7 Ashley WAGNER USA 193.54 7 10
8 Maria SOTSKOVA RUS 192.20 6 11
9 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 192.09 10 8
10 Da Bin CHOI KOR 191.11 11 7
11 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 188.05 9 12
12 Mariah BELL USA 187.23 13 9
13 Anna POGORILAYA RUS 183.37 4 15
14 Xiangning LI CHN 175.37 16 13
15 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 172.82 17 14
16 Rika HONGO JPN 169.87 12 18
17 Nicole RAJICOVA SVK 165.55 18 16
18 Laurine LECAVELIER FRA 162.99 22 17
19 Nicole SCHOTT GER 161.41 24 19
20 Ivett TOTH HUN 160.77 14 21
21 Zijun LI CHN 159.80 20 20
22 Angelina KUCHVALSKA LAT 155.02 21 22
23 Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM 153.47 23 23
24 Kailani CRAINE AUS 152.94 19 24

Countries getting THREE SPOTS for next year:

CANADA 2+3
RUSSIA 1+8
USA 4+7

Countries getting TWO SPOTS:
ITALY KOSTNER 6
KAZ TURSYNBAEVA 9
KOREA CHOI 10
JAPAN MIHARA 5, HIGUCHI 11


ONE SPOT: CHN, SVK, FRA, GER, HUN, LAT, ARM AUS
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Dragonlady » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:46 pm

Oh Canada! Well we knew what they were capable of after Canadians, but could they deliver as the last two skaters of the event? In SPADES!!!.

What an amazing day for Canadian Ladies skating.
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Fiveohnine » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:11 pm

I hope people realize how silly it is now to view Russia as getting special favors in dance
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby tennisfan » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:39 am

I haven't seen a post that properly explained why the US Is only getting one spot to the Olympics - they still get two spots to the Worlds next year - so I'm going to try and I apologize if I've missed someone else's post

So the Olympics have a limited number of athletes and so each discipline in figure skating gets 5 flights of skaters for the short program - cut to 4 for the free skate (except dance for some reason). So we get 30 singles skaters for each men & ladies, 20 pairs, and 24 ice dancers. The ISU designates two events to qualify the Olympics. The World Championships will qualify most of the skaters - 24 singles skaters men & ladies, 16 pairs, & 19 ice dancers. The rest of spots will be qualified from Nebelhorn including any spots previously awarded that are not going to be used. Only countries that haven't qualified spots from the World Championships can earn spots at Nebelhorn.

So that brings us to the Pairs event where only 16 spots can be earned at the Worlds. According to the rules, you start with teams who have earned 3 spots which is done by having two entries equal to 13 or less or one entry equal to 2 or less - so that's China (1+4), Russia (3+5), and Canada (6+7). That's 9 spots, so now we are down to 7 spots to earned by the remaining countries. Now we move to the team's earning two spots - 28 points or less with 2 teams or one team equaling 10 or less. Now keep in mind that teams that don't qualify for the free skate are worth 18 points. So first we've got Germany (2+18), then France (8+18), then Italy (9+13) and I"m sure at this point simple math will tell you that only spot remains and so the US (10+18), despite earning 2 spots for the 2018 Worlds has just one spot for the Olympics. The USFSA can try to appeal this but it is in the rules that if the total number of teams when multiple entries are counted is greater than 16 than the last country loses one spot. It's unfortunate and maybe it will be the push that the USFSA needs to up the level of US Pairs skating so that it doesn't happen again because the US is probably going to earn 3 spots in every other discipline.

Sorry, I can't remember who at this point mentioned about needing two pairs because of the team event and one pair having to skate both portions of the team event and then do the pairs event, but I wanted to mention that Castelli/Shnapir did all four programs in Sochi and earned a bronze medal for their trouble. The likelihood is that next year's US Championships will have a big prize for the winner (I know the USFSA doesn't have to send the Champion), the chance to compete at the Olympics and the strong likelihood of getting a medal in the team event.
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Maleeva » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:31 am

Thank you for that tennisfan. Sounds like one team for US pairs at the Olympics.

Congratulations to the Canadian ladies. This historic day has been a long time coming for Canadian ladies figure skating! First time two Canadian ladies on the podium.

Wow the short dance was amazing. The US teams in reverse order of nationals LOL. And so close to the French team!

I agree with the standings except I would have Piper and Paul ahead of BobSolo. That was the best PandP skated that dance all season.

Ben Agosto said commentating the Shibs nailed their elements but were too slow. Looks like the judges agreed plus they got a surprising level 2 on a step sequence. The silver and bronze are up for grabs.
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby GoFigure » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:02 pm

Wow, that was quite a performance by Yuzu!
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby tennisfan » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:43 pm

An amazing skate by Hanyu - the best ever.
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Jonas » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:36 pm

WOW!! What a men's FS!! The standard for the men has been raised yet again. Three quads in the FS won Worlds last year in Boston; this year in Helsinki all three medallists landed four quads and two 3Axels. CRAY-CRAY!! I found the results of the free and overall to be exactly where I had them.

To say Hanyu nailed it is a huge understatement: 4 clean quads, 2 3Axels, good overall skating skills, musicality, charisma. Just Olympic!! I knew when he landed his last 3Lutz that he had the title in the bag. NO ONE skating after him was going to beat that free skate.

When Nathan Chen followed, I knew immediately he was gonna try 6 quads. The fall on the opening 4Lutz kinda set the tone for the program. He did manage to land 4 quads also, but the rest of the program just wasn't up to par. Skating right after Hanyu at his ultimate, you can just see the PCs differential.

Boyang Jin started with a beauty of a 4Lutz en route to another well deserved World bronze medal. This year's performances were definitely a huge step up from his performances in Boston.

Chan's performances in Helsinki woulda yielded him a silver in Boston and for a second there I thought he'd pass Boyang Jin here on the strength of his components. This Eric Radford piece was my favorite men's FS of the season, but at this level it's just not enough anymore.

For next season I'm willing to bet that Uno will have five quad attempts next season: two 4flips, two 4toes, and a 4loop.

Similarly, I'm willing to bet Javi, at the very least, tries replaces his second 3Axel with a second 4toe to bring his quad count up to 4. Perhaps work on getting that 4loop in there too.

Finally, kudos to Jason Brown for helping the US get back its third spot for the Olympics. This'll help his Body of Work portfolio tremendously

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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby Jonas » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:55 pm

Thanks for the explanation, Tennisfan. I guess the issue of fairness would be answered more objectively with the question of when the Intl Olympic Committee or the organizers or whomever put this rule in effect and when the federations were notified. If the USFSA was well aware of this well before Helsinki, then there's really no issue.

Do you know if the US can "gain back" that 2nd Olympic spot at the designated Olympic qualifying event or will it only be open to other countries, i.e., Australia, Czech Republic, etc., that didn't qualify a spot in Helsinki. If you ask me, I think both the Australian and Czech pairs right now are more deserving to compete in Pyeongchang than a second American pair.

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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby chuckiem » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:34 pm

MEN FREE SKATE

1 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 223.20 126.12 97.08 9.68 9.46 9.86 9.75 9.79 0.00 19 4lo, 4s, 3f, 4s+3t, 4t, 3a+2t, 3a+1lo+3s, 3z
2 Shoma UNO JPN 214.45 120.03 94.42 9.46 9.21 9.54 9.54 9.46 0.00 23 4lo, 4f, 3z!-so, 3a+3t, 4t, 4t+2t, 3a+1lo+3f, 3s
3 Boyang JIN CHN 204.94 118.94 86.00 8.71 8.36 8.68 8.64 8.61 0.00 21 4z, 4s, 3a+1lo+3s, 4t+2t, 4t, 3z+3t, 3a, 3f
4 Nathan CHEN USA 193.39 110.61 84.78 8.54 8.39 8.32 8.64 8.50 2.00 20 4z↓, 4f+2t, 4f, 4t, 3a, 4s↓, 4t+3t, 3z+2t+2lo, 3a
5 Patrick CHAN CAN 193.03 98.11 94.92 9.57 9.46 9.36 9.57 9.50 0.00 22 4t+3t, 4s, 3a+seq+2s*, 4t-fo, 3a, 3lo, 3z+2t, 3f
6 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 192.14 98.62 94.52 9.43 9.36 9.36 9.57 9.54 1.00 24 4t, 4s+3t, 3a+2t, 4s↓, 3a, 3z, 2f+1lo+3s, 3lo-hd
7 Jason BROWN USA 176.47 88.27 89.20 8.89 8.71 9.07 8.86 9.07 1.00 17 4t<↓, 3a+3t, 3a, 3z, 3f+2t, 2a, 2lo, 3z+1lo+3s
8 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 169.40 91.06 78.34 7.71 7.64 8.04 7.89 7.89 0.00 15 4s<+2t, 4t+3t, 4s, 4t, 3a<, 3z, 3f<+3lo, 3s
9 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 164.19 82.49 82.70 0.46 8.07 8.21 8.29 8.32 1.00 16 4z↓, 4t, 1a, 3z+3t, 3a, 3z+1lo+2s, 3lo, 2a
10 Misha GE UZB 163.54 83.74 79.80 7.79 7.61 8.14 8.00 8.36 0.00 8 3a+1lo+3s, 3a, 3f, 3z+3t, 3z!, 3lo, 2a, 2a+2t
11 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO 162.90 90.90 72.00 7.21 6.89 7.29 7.29 7.32 0.00 6 3a, 4s, 4t+3t, 4t, 3f+2t, 3lo, 3f, 2a+1lo+2s
12 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR 160.68 84.26 76.42 7.68 7.43 7.71 7.75 7.64 0.00 14 4t+seq+1t*, 4t, 3lo, 3a+3t, 3a, 3z, 3f+1lo+3s, 2a
13 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 157.27 79.41 78.86 7.89 7.64 7.82 8.04 8.04 1.00 10 3a, 3a↓+rep, 3lo, 3z+3t, 3z+2t+2lo, 3f, 3s, 2a
14 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 156.46 77.60 78.86 8.07 7.64 7.86 7.93 7.93 0.00 13 4s, 2t, 4s+2t, 3a+3t, 3a, 2lo, 3s+2t*, 2a
15 Brendan KERRY AUS 153.13 80.13 73.00 7.36 7.07 7.32 7.39 7.36 0.00 11 4s, 3a+1lo+3s, 3a+3t, 3z, 3a, 3f, 2a, 3lo<
16 Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 151.31 81.67 69.64 7.07 6.68 7.00 7.11 6.96 0.00 7 4t, 4s, 2a, 3t+3t messy, 3a+2t, 3z, 3a, 3s+2t+2lo
17 Keiji TANAKA JPN 148.89 77.11 72.78 7.46 7.04 7.18 7.39 7.32 1.00 3 4s, 4s+2t, 2a, 3f+3t, 3a<↓, 3z, 3lo, 3s
18 Michal BREZINA CZE 146.24 70.24 77.00 7.93 7.54 7.57 7.82 7.64 1.00 9 4s, 3a, 1f, 3a+rep, 3lo, 2f, 3z-hd, 3z↓
19 Julian Zhi Jie YEE MAS 144.25 74.25 70.00 6.75 6.79 7.21 7.07 7.18 0.00 5 3a+2t, 3f+3t, 3s, 3a, 3z, 3f, 3lo, 2a^2a
20 Denis TEN KAZ 144.13 65.79 80.34 8.21 7.89 7.79 8.21 8.07 2.00 18 4t-so, 3s↓, 3a, 3f, 3a+2t↓, 3z+1lo+2f, 3f+rep, 3lo
21 Paul FENTZ GER 144.02 74.94 70.08 7.18 6.79 6.96 7.07 7.04 1.00 4 3a, 4t+2t, 4t-to, 3lo, 3a<+rep↓, 3s+3t, 2z, 3z
22 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL 140.34 71.26 71.08 7.25 6.93 6.89 7.29 7.18 2.00 2 3a+2t, 3a-to, 3s, 3z↓, 3z+3t+2lo, 3f<<↓, 3lo+2t, 2a
23 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 127.81 60.31 68.50 7.11 6.71 6.68 6.89 6.86 1.00 12 2t, 3a+2t, 2z, 2f, 3a, 2a+3t↓, 3t+2t*, 3s
24 Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 127.47 65.03 62.44 6.39 5.93 6.25 6.36 6.29 0.00 1 3lo, 3z, 3a+2t, 3a, 3z+1lo+3s, 3f<, 3t+2t, 2a

JUDGES FOR FREESKATE: ESP CHN RUS ISR CAN KOR AUS UKR GBR

FINAL STANDINGS, MEN:

1 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 321.59 5 1
2 Shoma UNO JPN 319.31 2 2
3 Boyang JIN CHN 303.58 4 3
4 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 301.19 1 6
5 Patrick CHAN CAN 295.16 3 5
6 Nathan CHEN USA 290.72 6 4
7 Jason BROWN USA 269.57 8 7
8 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 257.47 7 9
9 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 253.84 12 8
10 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR 245.96 11 12
11 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 245.84 10 14
12 Misha GE UZB 243.45 16 10
13 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO 239.24 19 11
14 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 239.00 14 13
15 Brendan KERRY AUS 236.24 13 15
16 Denis TEN KAZ 234.31 9 20
17 Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 230.13 17 16
18 Michal BREZINA CZE 226.26 15 18
19 Keiji TANAKA JPN 221.54 22 17
20 Paul FENTZ GER 217.91 20 21
21 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL 215.12 21 22
22 Julian Zhi Jie YEE MAS 213.99 23 19
23 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 205.04 18 23
24 Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 196.79 24 24

WOW, a new FREESKATE world record set by Hanyu! That was a breathtaking performance and a well-deserved gold medal.

No medal for CHEN this year, but his ability to hang in and revamp the layout on the fly despite mistakes was just amazing. He never gave up, and held onto his 6th place. Kudos to Jason Brown for his beautiful FS, which moved him up one placement, giving the US its 3 spots.

THREE SPOTS for 2018: JAPAN and USA

TWO SPOTS: CHINA, SPAIN, CANADA, RUSSIA, ISRAEL

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FREE DANCE

1 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 119.15 60.79 58.36 9.75 9.50 9.82 9.71 9.86 0.00 18
2 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 116.19 58.08 58.11 9.61 9.61 9.71 9.79 9.71 0.00 19
3 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitry SOLOVIEV RUS 110.52 54.74 55.78 9.29 9.11 9.36 9.29 9.43 0.00 13
4 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 110.30 55.45 55.85 9.36 9.18 9.43 9.25 9.32 1.00 17
5 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 110.03 54.72 55.31 9.04 8.93 9.39 9.29 9.43 0.00 14
6 Kaitlin WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 109.97 54.54 55.43 9.25 9.11 9.29 9.25 9.29 0.00 15
7 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 106.16 52.51 53.65 8.82 8.93 8.96 8.93 9.07 0.00 12
8 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 105.79 50.01 55.78 9.18 9.29 9.29 9.36 9.36 0.00 16
9 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS 105.63 52.68 52.95 8.75 8.71 8.82 8.89 8.96 0.00 11
10 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 101.17 47.15 55.02 9.07 9.11 9.11 9.36 9.21 1.00 20
11 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 98.12 48.20 49.92 8.21 8.18 8.36 8.39 8.46 0.00 7
12 Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO ISR 96.36 47.66 48.70 8.07 7.93 8.29 8.18 8.11 0.00 9
13 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksim SPODIREV POL 93.78 47.65 46.13 7.54 7.54 7.71 7.79 7.86 0.00 10
14 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 93.48 46.38 47.10 7.82 7.71 7.79 7.89 8.04 0.00 8
15 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 91.49 45.99 45.50 7.46 7.32 7.64 7.68 7.82 0.00 6
16 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN 89.48 44.90 44.58 7.36 7.18 7.57 7.50 7.54 0.00 4
17 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 86.09 42.33 43.76 7.32 7.04 7.39 7.36 7.36 0.00 2
18 Kavita LORENZ / Panagiotis POLIZOAKIS GER 85.76 43.30 43.46 7.25 7.04 7.25 7.36 7.32 1.00 1
19 Olivia SMART / Adria DIAZ ESP 84.68 41.98 44.70 7.36 7.21 7.43 7.61 7.64 2.00 5
20 Yura MIN / Alexander GAMELIN KOR 79.24 38.34 41.90 6.82 6.93 6.89 7.21 7.07 1.00 3

JUDGES FOR THE FREE DANCE: ESP CAN USA KOR UKR GER GBR RUS CZE



FINAL STANDINGS, DANCE


1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 198.62 1 2
2 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 196.04 2 1
3 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 185.18 5 4
4 Kaitlin WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 184.81 6 6
5 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitry SOLOVIEV RUS 184.06 8 3
6 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 183.73 7 5
7 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 182.04 4 8
8 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 178.99 9 7
9 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 177.70 3 10
10 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS 174.70 10 9
11 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 165.68 11 11
12 Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO ISR 162.63 12 12
13 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 159.53 13 14
14 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksim SPODIREV POL 157.15 15 13
15 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 155.35 14 15
16 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN 150.25 18 16
17 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 146.89 17 17
18 Olivia SMART / Adria DIAZ ESP 145.61 16 19
19 Kavita LORENZ / Panagiotis POLIZOAKIS GER 142.86 20 18
20 Yura MIN / Alexander GAMELIN KOR 136.71 19 20


The Tech Panel (UKR-POL-HUN) loved Bobrova/Soloviev and hammered nearly everyone else except the gold and silver medalists. The only other time B/S scored as high in the FD this season was at CoR.....

THREE SPOTS for 2018: CANADA, USA
TWO SPOTS: FRANCE, RUSSIA, ITALY

France gets two because the other French teams didn't make the final: 2+18=20
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby bumphystars » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:43 pm

I am gutted for Hubbell and Donahue. Their free dance was far and away my fave from the American teams and to see them falter so badly was really heart-breaking. Still, a lot of positives to take away from this, they showed that they aren't necessarily the #3 team in the US at all, they can compete at the top.

Unfortunately that V/M had that fall, which is so uncharacteristic for them. I can't recall them ever having this kind of mistake at Worlds. They pull through on the strength of the rest of their elements and their knock-it-out-of-the-park short dance. Total legends.
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Re: 2017 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 3/28-4/02 Helsinki FIN

Postby chuckiem » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:49 pm

Top 24 SB lists for 2017-18 through 2018 Worlds:

MEN

1 321.59 Yuzuru HANYU JPN
2 319.31 Shoma UNO JPN
3 307.46 Nathan CHEN USA
4 303.58 Boyang JIN CHN
5 301.19 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP
6 295.16 Patrick CHAN CAN
7 269.57 Jason BROWN USA
8 269.26 Denis TEN KAZ
9 267.53 Adam RIPPON USA
10 266.80 Maxim KOVTUN RUS
11 258.41 Vincent ZHOU USA
12 257.47 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS
13 255.52 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR
14 253.84 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN
15 252.20 Takahito MURA JPN
16 248.44 Keiji TANAKA JPN
17 247.31 Dmitri ALIEV RUS
18 245.53 Alexander SAMARIN RUS
19 245.28 Sergei VORONOV RUS
20 243.47 Alexander PETROV RUS
21 243.45 Misha GE UZB
22 242.74 Max AARON USA
23 242.56 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL
24 242.45 Jun Hwan CHA KOR


LADIES

1 233.41 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS
2 218.33 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN
3 218.13 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN
4 216.47 Anna POGORILAYA RUS
5 213.45 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN
6 210.52 Carolina KOSTNER ITA
7 208.60 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS - moving up to SR next season
8 205.90 Elena RADIONOVA RUS
9 201.61 Marin HONDA JPN - moving up to SR next season
10 200.85 Mai MIHARA JPN
11 200.35 Maria SOTSKOVA RUS
12 199.29 Karen CHEN USA
13 196.44 Ashley WAGNER USA
14 195.54 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN
15 194.95 Mirai NAGASU USA
16 194.57 Anastasiia GUBANOVA RUS
17 194.48 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN
18 194.24 Rika KIHIRA JPN
19 194.02 Polina TSURSKAYA RUS
20 192.57 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS
21 192.09 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ
22 191.59 Mariah BELL USA
23 191.39 Alena LEONOVA RUS
24 191.11 Dabin CHOI KOR


PAIRS

1 232.06 Wenjin SUI / Cong HAN CHN
2 230.80 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT GER
3 227.58 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS
4 220.02 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA
5 218.30 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN
6 216.51 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS
7 211.51 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN
8 208.30 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN
9 206.19 Liubov ILYUSHECHKINA / Dylan MOSCOVITCH CAN
10 203.92 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA
11 202.92 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN CHN
12 202.17 Alexa SCIMECA / Chris KNIERIM USA
13 200.75 Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT RUS
14 195.70 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN
15 192.65 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER USA
16 192.02 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
17 189.09 Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR CZE
18 188.74 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS
19 185.42 Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV RUS
20 185.32 Xuehan WANG / Lei WANG CHN
21 176.18 Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN USA
22 173.50 Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA USA
23 172.18 Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC USA
24 169.65 Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM PRK


ICE DANCE

1 198.62 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR
2 196.04 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON
3 191.85 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI
4 188.24 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES
5 186.68 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV
6 186.64 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE
7 185.19 Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN
8 184.81 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE
9 182.57 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER
10 180.82 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
11 180.30 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI
12 177.80 Isabella TOBIAS / Ilia TKACHENKO
13 177.41 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN
14 177.36 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER
15 173.02 Tiffani ZAGORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO
16 171.94 Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV
17 167.81 Elliana POGREBINSKY / Alex BENOIT
18 164.83 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS moving up to SR next season
19 164.37 Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD moving up to SR next season
20 163.00 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR
21 160.68 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN
22 159.30 Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER moving up to SR next season
23 157.19 Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO
24 157.15 Natalia KALISZEK / Maksym SPODYRIEV
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