2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:28 pm

Technical Controller: Cesaro ITA
Tech Specialist: Ponomarenko RUS
Asst Tech Specialist: Petetin FRA

The Tech Specialist makes the calls. If the assistant TS disagrees, then the TC resolves the dispute. If no dispute, the Tech Specialist call stands.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Ellen » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:39 pm

chuckiem wrote:Technical Controller: Cesaro ITA
Tech Specialist: Ponomarenko RUS
Asst Tech Specialist: Petetin FRA

The Tech Specialist makes the calls. If the assistant TS disagrees, then the TC resolves the dispute. If no dispute, the Tech Specialist call stands.


Thank you.
Strange that Sergey Ponomarenko is referred to as RUS. If I am not mistaken he is the US citizen.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby sms29s66 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:42 pm

Since he (Pom) competed for the Soviet Republic and not for the US, I think it makes more sense to refer to him as Russian. I guess that's the reason??
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Barcelona » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:26 pm

Blah, men's free was a bit of an anticlimax for these Euros. I sure wished Javier would have won his fifth title with a better performance and of course other guys could have made a little less mistakes. :roll: But Jorik! He was just fantastic! I wonder if there's any chance he could still learn that quad. It would make him a real contender. The same goes for Deniss obviously but he's still so young that I think he has a better shot. His cooperation with Stéphane Lambiel is one of the most interesting things going on in the men's field these days, if you ask me. Just keep it coming!
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:36 pm

Ellen wrote:
chuckiem wrote:Technical Controller: Cesaro ITA
Tech Specialist: Ponomarenko RUS
Asst Tech Specialist: Petetin FRA

The Tech Specialist makes the calls. If the assistant TS disagrees, then the TC resolves the dispute. If no dispute, the Tech Specialist call stands.


Thank you.
Strange that Sergey Ponomarenko is referred to as RUS. If I am not mistaken he is the US citizen.


Per ISU Communication #2027 (you can find it on the ISU website) which lists all the Judges, Technical Controllers, Technical Specialists and Data/Replay Operators for Singles, Pairs and Ice Dance, Sergei Ponomarenko is identified as RUSSIAN.

He may live in the US and have US citizenship, but he is also a Russian citizen. Both countries recognize dual citizenship.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:39 pm

MEN FREE SKATE RESULTS

1 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 190.59 98.29 93.30 9.29 9.18 9.21 9.43 9.54 1.00 22 4t, 4s-to+2t, 3a+3t, 4s↓, 3a-to, 3z, 3f!+1lo+3s, 3lo-hd
2 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 172.27 87.77 84.50 8.61 8.21 8.54 8.39 8.50 0.00 23 4s, 4t, 2z, 3a, 3a+3t, 3lo, 3s+2t, 2a+2t
3 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 166.22 82.78 84.44 8.57 8.18 8.43 8.43 8.61 1.00 20 4z↓, 4t-so, 3a+3t, 3z+2t+2t, 1a, 3s^2a, 3lo, 2a
4 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO 161.35 89.77 71.58 7.25 6.93 7.14 7.18 7.29 0.00 13 3a, 4s, 4t-so-hd, 4t+3t, 3f+2t-df, 3lo-so-hd, 3f, 2a+1lo+3s
5 Jorick HENDRICKX BEL 160.06 79.48 80.58 8.04 7.89 8.14 8.04 8.18 0.00 21 3a+2t, 3a-to, 3s, 3z+3t+2lo, 3z, 3f, 3lo+2t, 2a
6 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 155.33 76.19 79.14 8.00 7.57 8.00 8.00 8.00 0.00 19 1a, 3a+2t, 3lo, 3z+3t, 3z, 3f, 3s+2t+2lo, 2a
7 Alexander SAMARIN RUS 153.61 83.05 72.56 7.61 6.82 7.25 7.21 7.39 2.00 17 4t-hd, 4t+3t, 3a+2t, 3z+1lo+3f, 3a↓, 2lo, 3s, 2a, late start
8 Paul FENTZ GER 153.17 82.53 70.64 7.21 6.79 7.07 7.14 7.11 0.00 15 3a, 4t+2t-so-hd, 4t-so, 3lo, 3a+3t, 3s+2t, 3z, 2a
9 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR 152.56 76.26 77.30 8.00 7.54 7.79 7.68 7.64 1.00 24 4t+2t, 4t-hd-so, 3lo, 3a-to, 3a↓+rep, 3z+3t, 3f+1lo+2s, 2a
10 Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 151.40 79.28 72.12 7.36 6.96 7.32 7.21 7.21 0.00 14 4t, 3t+3t, 3a, 3a+2t, 3z, 3fe, 2a+2t+2lo, 3s
11 Ivan RIGHINI ITA 140.19 71.19 71.00 6.96 6.71 7.11 7.29 7.43 2.00 11 4t↓, 3a↓, 2a+3t, 3lo, 3z, 2a+1lo+3s, 3f, 3z+2t
12 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 139.11 65.39 73.72 7.50 7.11 7.25 7.43 7.57 0.00 18 2t, 3a+2t, 3z, 2f!, 3a-so, 3t+2t*+2lo-hd-so, 3s
13 Michal BREZINA CZE 136.91 62.71 76.20 7.93 7.46 7.39 7.61 7.71 2.00 16 4s-hd, 3a-so, 3f+1lo+3s↓, 3a+rep-so+1t*, 3lo, 3f↓, 2z, 2z
14 Ivan PAVLOV UKR 133.93 69.07 64.86 6.86 6.36 6.32 6.43 6.46 0.00 12 3a+3t, 3z, 3lo, 1a, 3z+1lo+3s, 2a+2t-so, 3f!-to, 3s
15 Stephane WALKER SUI 133.88 72.16 61.72 6.32 5.82 6.36 6.11 6.25 0.00 1 3a, 3lo, 3z, 3f, 3lo+2t, 2a+1lo<+3s, 3z+2t, 3t
16 Graham NEWBERRY GBR 130.27 67.99 62.28 6.43 5.89 6.21 6.25 6.36 0.00 7 3a+2t, 3z+3t, 2lo+1lo+3s, 3f, 3z, 3lo, 3t, 2a
17 Javier RAYA ESP 128.87 63.81 66.06 6.71 6.32 6.54 6.75 6.71 1.00 9 3a, 3f-so, 3a+2t, 3z<↓, 3t, 3f+2t, 3s-hd, 2a^2a-so
18 Kevin AYMOZ FRA 128.21 62.73 66.48 6.86 6.21 6.71 6.64 6.82 1.00 8 3a-to+2t, 1a, 3z+2lo, 3lo-so, 2a, 3z↓, 3t, 3s+2t+2lo
19 Maurizio ZANDRON ITA 122.61 60.39 63.22 6.29 6.25 6.00 6.50 6.57 1.00 10 3a-hd-so, 3z+3t, 3z-so-hd, 2a, 3lo↓, 3s+1lo+2f, 3s, 2a
20 Daniel Albert NAURITS EST 120.96 61.38 59.58 6.18 5.68 5.89 6.04 6.00 0.00 6 3a+2t, 3a<, 3lo-to, 3t+1lo+3s<, 3lo+2t, 3z-df, 2a, 2a
21 Jiri BELOHRADSKY CZE 120.63 62.21 59.42 6.07 5.64 6.00 5.96 6.04 1.00 5 3z-so, 2a, 3f, 3t+1lo+3s, 3z+2t, 3lo+2t, 3lo, 2a, ↓ steps
22 Slavik HAYRAPETYAN ARM 120.09 64.11 55.98 5.89 5.21 5.75 5.64 5.50 0.00 3 3a, 3a+2t, 1z, 3s, 3f, 3t+2t+2lo, 3s^2a, 2a
23 Sondre ODDVOLL BOE NOR 107.61 47.47 61.14 6.07 5.79 6.14 6.18 6.39 1.00 2 2a, 3z, 3s-fwd, 3f+2t, 3lo, 3s+2t, 1f, 2a<↓
24 Valtter VIRTANEN FIN 107.57 50.07 58.5 6.14 5.61 5.75 5.96 5.79 1.00 4 4t<, 3z, 3z<↓+rep, 2a+2t+lo, 3lo, 3s, 3t, 2a+1t



FINAL STANDINGS - MEN


1 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 294.84 1 1
2 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 266.80 2 2
3 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 250.18 4 3
4 Jorick HENDRICKX BEL 242.56 5 5
5 Alexei BYCHENKO ISR 239.24 3 9
6 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO 238.20 10 4
7 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 235.20 6 6
8 Alexander SAMARIN RUS 230.87 9 7
9 Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 227.59 11 10
10 Paul FENTZ GER 225.85 12 8
11 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 217.98 7 12
12 Michal BREZINA CZE 215.52 8 13
13 Ivan RIGHINI ITA 210.15 14 11
14 Ivan PAVLOV UKR 202.87 15 14
15 Kevin AYMOZ FRA 199.49 13 18
16 Graham NEWBERRY GBR 198.06 16 16
17 Javier RAYA ESP 195.54 17 17
18 Stephane WALKER SUI 189.12 23 15
19 Maurizio ZANDRON ITA 186.40 18 19
20 Jiri BELOHRADSKY CZE 181.62 20 21
21 Slavik HAYRAPETYAN ARM 180.78 21 22
22 Daniel Albert NAURITS EST 176.10 24 20
23 Sondre ODDVOLL BOE NOR 170.47 19 23
24 Valtter VIRTANEN FIN 164.09 22 24
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby wmari » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:19 pm

Just watched ice dance competition. Tarasova commenting was furious about the fact that Italians got level 4 for their faulty tweezles. I think she is right in a way, such an obvious mistake. Should have not been level 4 for this. Bob/Solo were very strong technically but...boring.
Feel sorry for Victoria and Nikita, lots of lamenting from Tarasova about this talented guy who spoiled his carrier by braking a successful promising ice dance pair.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby nowthen » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:57 pm

I/K were not the future. You need to establish momentum and consistency and I/K didn't have that. Showing up for Olympics but nothing else that season was not good. They never were ready before November! S/K have also never been ready before November. But if they want to reunite the I/k partnership they have the power to do that.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby bumphystars » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:09 pm

tennisfan wrote:
bumphystars wrote:
Maleeva wrote:The short dance results have been revised and now BobSolo are in first place. Anna and Luca received a one point deduction after the event was over.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/seaso ... Scores.pdf



sorry, huh?

I don't understand how C/L can get this call now after performing the same short dance all season. Did they change something?


They changed their straight line lift and after the straight line lift they performed another lift which is suppose to be choreographic highlight but they changed the program from what they had been skating earlier in the season so that Anna swings around Lucca a couple of times which makes it an extra element instead of choreography.


Ah, I see. Thanks for filling me in. I guess they will be changing it back! ;)
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby chuckiem » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:46 pm

wmari wrote:Just watched ice dance competition. Tarasova commenting was furious about the fact that Italians got level 4 for their faulty tweezles. I think she is right in a way, such an obvious mistake. Should have not been level 4 for this. Bob/Solo were very strong technically but...boring.
Feel sorry for Victoria and Nikita, lots of lamenting from Tarasova about this talented guy who spoiled his carrier by braking a successful promising ice dance pair.


Tarasova also thought Stepanova/Bukin should have been placed above Cappellini/LaNotte because of the twizzles. I guess she didn't notice that S/B got L3 on the twizzles and L1 on the Diagonal step sequence.....
But then the Russians have been suspicious of CoP, since they haven't won an ice dance championship since it went into effect.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Maleeva » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:24 am

chuckiem wrote:
wmari wrote:Just watched ice dance competition. Tarasova commenting was furious about the fact that Italians got level 4 for their faulty tweezles. I think she is right in a way, such an obvious mistake. Should have not been level 4 for this. Bob/Solo were very strong technically but...boring.
Feel sorry for Victoria and Nikita, lots of lamenting from Tarasova about this talented guy who spoiled his carrier by braking a successful promising ice dance pair.


Tarasova also thought Stepanova/Bukin should have been placed above Cappellini/LaNotte because of the twizzles. I guess she didn't notice that S/B got L3 on the twizzles and L1 on the Diagonal step sequence.....
But then the Russians have been suspicious of CoP, since they haven't won an ice dance championship since it went into effect.


Russia has won several dance championships under COP. Russia won the 2013 European Championships in dance with Bob/Solo and 2008 and 2010 with Domnina/Shabalin. D&S also won worlds in 2009, all ISU championships under COP. There may be others too, these are just the ones that came to mind.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby nowthen » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:51 am

Of course Russia won 2005 worlds and Olympics 2006 but that Is like just do whatever you were doing in the last days of 6.0. It wasn't the developed COP that was forged by DW and VM fall of 2009 and into 2010. Russia hasn't won worlds since the maturation of COP dance.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Ellen » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:53 am

chuckiem wrote:Tarasova also thought Stepanova/Bukin should have been placed above Cappellini/LaNotte because of the twizzles. I guess she didn't notice that S/B got L3 on the twizzles and L1 on the Diagonal step sequence.....


She did not say that. She commented that Capellini/Lanotte "are not skating today,.. like on the sand". She mentioned during their program that they were slow and with such skating cannot be on top. It is not the twizzles at first place that must have put the Italians lower. T.Tarasova can notice much more in the couple's skating especially in dancing than all of us, so I believe her judgement. She praises pairs which are great no matter from what countries they are.
Also judges must estimate how the skaters performed at the competition - not how well they have been all season or how good they skated at practice.

The question is why the Italians got level 4 on twizzles with the rude mistake - there must be some explanation to this. Maybe according to the rules there must be 4 good rotations and the rest rotations do not count, or something like that.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby tennisfan » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:52 pm

That's what I was thinking Ellen - Cappelinni did complete all but the last revolution before dropping her leg - so L4 with -1 or -2 GOE. For me, it is hard to pick between Cappellini/Lanotte and Bobrova/Soloviev. Cappellini/Lanotte have the presentation, the character, and definitely hold my interest but they lack the fluidity, skating skills, or speed of the top teams and Bobrova/Soloviev are the opposite. I think they're very talented skaters but they don't seem to create programs that reflect their personalities, tell me something interesting, or present an interesting concept. I did enjoy their lifts though - hit some interesting and creative positions.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Barcelona » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:00 pm

I'm also not exactly sure which way the judging should have been between C/L and B/S and I completely agree with tennisfan's view on the difference between the two couples. B/S did have one very interesting programme some years ago, though, the Man with Harmonica one. That makes me still expect something interesting from them every time they show up with new programmes but it's true that they've been rather on the conservative side recently. Still immensely talented and always lovely to watch, obviously :)
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby Dragonlady » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:46 pm

I was shocked that B&S were ahead of P&C. B&S have very basic choreography and she breaks badly at the waist. The CD portion of their SD really suffers for their lack of posture. Compared to the Italians and the French, B&S use a lot of upper body movement to disguise how little their feet are doing. What's worse, the lobes of their CD were shallow and they have a lot of distance between them.. B&S are not on the same level as C&L and P&C and it shows in everything they do.
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Re: 2017 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Postby GoFigure » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:37 am

Dragonlady wrote: B&S use a lot of upper body movement to disguise how little their feet are doing.

That has been the Russian style for ages.
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