SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby chuckiem » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:33 pm

SCI starts today at about 3 pm EDT.

LADIES SP Warm up group at 3:03 pm EDT

Start Order

1 Rika HONGO JPN
2 Yuka NAGAI JPN
3 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS
4 Mirai NAGASU USA
5 Kaitlyn OSMOND CAN

6 Da Bin CHOI KOR
7 Na Hyun KIM KOR
8 Alaine CHARTRAND CAN
9 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN
10 Joshi HELGESSON SWE
11 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS

Tech Team
Ref: Pizzocari-ITA
TC: Adolfsen-NOR
TS: Hopfes-MEX
ATS: Savastova-BLR

Judges: TBA at the start of the competition


PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM Warm up group at 4:48 pm EDT

Start Order

1 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
2 Megan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN
3 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN

4 Lubov ILIUSHECHKINA / Dylan MOSCOVITCH CAN
5 Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV RUS
6 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER USA
7 Brittany JONES / Joshua REAGAN CAN

Tech Team
Ref: Pizzocari-ITA
TC: Krick-GER
TS: Collin-Knoblauch-CAN
ATS: Gaynor-USA

Judges: TBA at the start of the competition



SHORT DANCE Warm up group at 7:30 pm EDT

Start Order

1 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA
2 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
3 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN
4 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN
5 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA

6 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER USA
7 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN
8 Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN
9 Cecilia TÖRN / Jussiville PARTANEN FIN
10 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS


Tech Team
Ref: Abbott-CAN
TC: Rettstatt-USA
TS: Baranov-UKR
ATS: Nowak-Trebacka-POL

Judges: TBA at the start of the competition



MEN SHORT PROGRAM Warmup at 9:08 pm EDT

Start Order

1 Misha GE UZB
2 Han YAN CHN
3 Michal BREZINA CZE
4 Daniel SAMOHIN ISR
5 Patrick CHAN CAN
6 Yuzuru HANYU JPN

7 Liam FIRUS CAN
8 Ross MINER USA
9 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA
10 Alexander PETROV RUS
11 Takahito MURA JPN
12 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN


Tech Team
Ref: Domanska-SVK
TC: Krick-GER
TS: Savastova-BLR
ATS: Hopfes-MEX

Judges: TBA at the start of the competition
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Jonas » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:32 pm

Dragonaldy and Rach2 -- you guys in the audience watching LIVE?!?! If you are I'd love to hear your impressions!
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Jonas » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:56 pm

My impressions on the ladies:

Haven't peeked at the protocols yet, but looks like technical specialist wasn't messing around w/underrotation calls. Hongo looked solid here this week and Miyahara looked whistle clean as she always does, but then their technical scores came up and indicated otherwise.

Medvedeva won solidly here as expected. Her skating still doesn't really do it for me personally, at least not 220+ points-wise, but you can't really knock her for being a steady competitor. She just can't miss.

Between the two Russians, I much preferred Tuktamysheva in just about every aspect of skating. I think Tukt strokes more effortlessly; Tukt's jumps when she lands them are high and powerful, yet still light and flowy. I'd be interested to watch and compare these two World Champs LIVE.

Ok -- so I highly recommend to the organizers of the upcoming Canadian Nationals to schedule the ladies' FS as the marquee Saturday night event!! With the way Daleman, Chartrand, and Osmond have been skating, it's gonna be quite a battle for the two tickets to Finland!

Nagasu -- Ouch. I was expecting her to really bring it here. In the Kiss & Cry she was mentioning her boots to Tom Z -- not sure if there something going on there. No fight out there from her here.

Onto Pairs FS...

Your thoughts...
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Maleeva » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:57 pm

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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Maleeva » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:57 pm

Just watched the mens and ladies short programs on the Universal HD cable channel.

Medvedeva's program was a joy to watch.

Really like Chan's Blackbird program.

Sorry but I do not like Kevin Reynolds' spins-poor posture on his spin positions!
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Dragonlady » Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:25 am

Medved's SP was not a joy to watch in the rink. She puttered about in the middle of the ice the whole time. All jumps after the half way point so there was no balance to the program. She didn't go near either end of the rink. It was very judge centric. If not for bonus points for Tano-ing all her back loaded jumps, she would not have won the short.

I'm not going to get into how deeply offended the two people from NYC who are sitting behind me were about her LP.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Virginia » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:15 am

Just watched it on YouTube. WOW, was that inappropriate! I get why the New Yorkers were offended. As someone who lives five miles from the Pentagon, I share their disgust. 9-11 is not a subject for popular entertainment.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby chuckiem » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:04 pm

I walked away from my computer for Medved's FS. I saw the WT Towers go down live on TV the first time and I never want to hear those sounds again. I lost friends and neighbors in that disaster, and their children lost their fathers. It's just too intensely personal to me. It's incomprehensible and shameful that some choreographer could come up with this horrendous idea to inflict pain and sorrow on thousands of people yet again.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby can-skate » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:02 am

Is it possible that she has a personal experience about 9/11 and she is retelling the story of her experience? If not then yes it seems a little inappropriate but maybe there is something personal for her? Just a thought...
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Virginia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:40 pm

can-skate wrote:
Is it possible that she has a personal experience about 9/11 and she is retelling the story of her experience? If not then yes it seems a little inappropriate but maybe there is something personal for her? Just a thought...


Can-skate, I don't think it's likely that a sixteen-year-old Muscovite can have any personal connection to an event that happened in the United States when she was a year old. She has apparently explained that she intends the program to stand for all acts of terrorism, not just 9/11. She would have been 8 when the Moscow subway bombings happened, and of course will remember the horrific events in Paris just a year ago, so I can see how she might like to knit all these sorts of events together into a program. It was beautifully skated and the idea itself isn't objectionable, if only it had been handled more sensitively.

chuckiem wrote:
I saw the WT Towers go down live on TV the first time and I never want to hear those sounds again. I lost friends and neighbors in that disaster, and their children lost their fathers. It's just too intensely personal to me. It's incomprehensible and shameful that some choreographer could come up with this horrendous idea to inflict pain and sorrow on thousands of people yet again.


Chuckie, I feel exactly the same as you about the sounds of sirens and panic. To my mind, it was including those noise (taken, it seems, from the soundtrack of the movie Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close) that pushed this concept over the line and showed extremely poor taste and lack of sensitivity. If the audio cut had stuck to the music alone, I think this program could have been moving and effective without straying into overly upsetting territory.

She could get the music re-cut and continue to use the program without causing such offense; little re-choreography would be required.

I think it's worth pointing out that this is a sixteen-year-old, too young to remember the events she is depicting or to fully grasp the pain they cause. I work with high-schoolers, and I understand that developmentally, many just have not developed the empathy that maturity can bring. But this girl is skating under a highly structured, government-funded and managed system, unlike the free-market approach taken in the west. Someone -- her coach, her choreographer, an official of the Russian FSU -- should have stepped up and offered some guidance here. I hope that happens before her next competition.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Dragonlady » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:01 pm

can-skate wrote:Is it possible that she has a personal experience about 9/11 and she is retelling the story of her experience? If not then yes it seems a little inappropriate but maybe there is something personal for her? Just a thought...


Illia Averbhuk choreographed the number for her. I think Averbhuk was deeply affected living in Delaware on 9/11, but Medvedeva was 2 at the time, and living in Russia. so no, there is nothing that personal about it for her. She has given an interview in Japan as this is a tribute to victims of terrorism around the world, or something along that line.

Listening to my New York friends at Skate Canada this weekend, it was heart wrenching the memories brought back by this ill-conceived "entertainment". The glittering sparkly dress was the final insult to them.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Maleeva » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:52 pm

Just watched the ice dance.

Chock and Bates' David Bowie program will have to grow on me.

Tessa and Scott made some errors but have to be happy winning the event overall.

Anna and Luca will have been quite disappointed losing to Piper
and Paul. But Piper and Paul were outstanding.

I've been thinking about Paul Poirier. What amazing fortitude this young athlete must possess. A few years ago he was on the GP Final podium with Vanessa Crone. And now he is back to being the number three team in his home country.

Yet he has stuck with it and they just beat the number four team in the world. I have nothing but admiration for this 24 year old skater.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby chuckiem » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:13 pm

I absolutely loved Chock/Bates' FD, after reading all the prior pans about it on the Canadian boards. I don't get all the complaints about the music---it's great!! They deservedly won the FD, and It was shocking to hear the boos from the crowd. That has to be a new low in home team support. We didn't even hear that at Sochi.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Dragonlady » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:08 am

You did not hear boos, you heard gasps of surprise when the rink scoreboard made it appear that C&B had won the event.

The back end of C&B's FD was skated so slowly, it appeared they would stop, especially in that curve lift. Everyone around my seats thought they would be 4th - at best. And that includes my friends from New York. The audience was both surprised by the marks, and the idea that this team had won.

Personally, this team ruined three of my favourite songs all weekend. No matter how hard Madison Chock sells it, there is a total lack of chemistry between these two. I just don't get why the judges are so in love with this team.

I did fall in love with Stepanova and Bukin this weekend. So talented and original. They dance more like North Americans than the traditional Russian school of dance.

With regard to Gilles & Poirier, I think you also have to give credit to Piper Gilles for all of her hard work as well. When they first teamed up, he was pulling her around the ice. She has worked very, very hard to develop her basic skating as well as her dance skills so that she is now his equal. Their programs are fresh and interesting. I hope they get silver in Paris and that this is enough to get them into the GPF.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby bumphystars » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:55 pm

My thoughts:
Women: I agree that skating a 9/11 program is not a good call. There is an argument there that it is art, and that she is expressing emotion as art, but in someone so young and disconnected from the events in America it seems in poor taste. And the voice recordings in particular are offensive. I hope they make some edits there.
I love Miyahara and, in fact, she reminds me of Michelle Kwan in the way that she seems to express pure joy out there. Such a WONDERFUL quality. If only her jumps were bigger; that is the one thing that will hold her back in this scoring system when there is so much emphasis on technical quality. And this is why Osmond, coupled with her speed and maturity, scores so high. Her first combination was WOW. So high, so clean...the judges have to reward it as there is simply no question that it is fully turned.

Men: I missed the long program but overall felt the short was a bit Meh.

Dance: Oh chuckie, you are so predictable! No matter what happens, the Canadians were always overmarked in your mind, and the Canadian crowds always unfeeling. V/M did not skate their best in the free program but does anyone think that C/B are the better team, really? There is no contest there. I loved V/M's short dance in particular though see room to grow in their free. But they are so far ahead of where I thought they would be. Tracy Wilson said that they are better than they were before—I couldn't agree more. Can't wait to see how the rest of the season unfolds for them but I'd be shocked if we see C/B finish ahead of them again, barring disaster from the Canadians.

Pairs: Go Megan and Eric! The amount this team has grown and continues to grow is just incredible. No limits! I also loved the Chinese pair...I think it will be them, the Canadians, and the Germans fighting for the podium spots come March.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby chuckiem » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:33 pm

I would expect all teams (including C/B) to improve as the season goes on, so would never make any seasons-end predictions based on GP events. C/B looked pretty bad last year at this time, but they wound up on the world podium despite all the naysayers.

Stepanova / Bukin are an attractive team, but she lags behind him in skating skills. They got only L2 on both step sequences because she cannot quite keep up with him.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Maleeva » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:50 am

I do admire the technical abilities of Chock and Bates. I think that is mostly what the judges reward. I have just never connected emotionally to any of their dances.

In their Bowie free dance I don't like how the choreography slows down right before their twizzle sequence. They have little speed going into that element.

Tanith and Ben do the commentary for ice dance on the Universal HD channel coverage. They basically said the same thing. They do a great job by the way. Very nice listening to two dance experts call a dance event.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby Maleeva » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:53 pm

Chock and Bates also have a tough schedule. Have to fly to Moscow and battle jet lag plus the top Russian team, BobSolo, on home ice.

Not to mention Weaver and Poje will make their season debut in Russia showing off their new free dance to Concierto de Aranjuez by Joaquin Rodrigo. Interesting they chose a familiar piece of skating music. I hope it works for them.
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Re: SKATE CANADA INTERNATIONAL 2016 10/28-29

Postby chuckiem » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:46 pm

The good news is W/P are training in Moscow. The not-so-good news is that their coach is Morozov.
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