GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Winnipeg » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:07 pm

Jonas wrote:Lots of 11th hour withdrawals:

Julia Lipnitskaya has reportedly withdrawn from Skate America as has Denis Ten. If it weren't for these random Grand Prix replacement rules, the USFSA can easily send out last-minute invites to some Canadians (ahem, Keegan Messing, ahem) who I'm sure would jump on the opportunity.

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I always prefer to have a full slate of skaters at each event...............if someone drops out, they should be replaced if at all possible, it gives skaters an opportunity and the audience gets the full # of performances expected. Win/win IMHO to fill them and have NO vacancies.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Jonas » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:42 pm

AGREED!

Along with some Canadian ladies' options Mae Berenice Meite of FRA is reportedly training in the Chicago-Land area, so... :?

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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Virginia » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:49 pm

Disappointing, both of them. I'm assuming they're both out due to injuries.

I loved Lipnitskaya's programs from last fall. I thought she was maturing into a level of sophistication that really enhanced her aleady-lovely skating. I know she took a lot of criticism, but I liked what I saw, especially her Elvis SP in the rainbow dress from SA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZksW_fZ3Kk
(For some reason she changed to black for TEB, which I didn't like as much as the colorful one.) I seem to recall she moved to train with Alexei Urmanov in Sochi; I hope he can work some magic on her confidence and her consistency. Julia is by far my favorite among the Russian ladies.

As for Ten ... Dennis is a joy to watch when he's healthy and "on", but it seems like a very long time since we've seen him meet both those criteria. I'm beginning to wonder if his body can handle the demands of world-class skating; it seems like he's injured so much.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby BrazilianFellow » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:44 am

Stolbova/Klimov are also out of GP. Don't know the reasons yet.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Maleeva » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:54 pm

The USA broadcast schedule for this season is below.

Of course Universal HD channel was not offered on my Time Warner cable package, so I had to add the "HD Pass" for $8 per month, to get that channel. Props though to NBC for at least showing full pairs and dance free programs on this obscure cable channel.

http://usfigureskating.org/story?id=90041&type=media
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Jonas » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:30 pm

...and Skate America's men's roster is down to 10: Daisuke Murakami has reportedly withdrawn also. :(
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Winnipeg » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:45 pm

The vacant spots should be filled! If there is a skater training in the area - give them the chance to get experience
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Jonas » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:38 pm

Veronik Mallet has withdrawn from Skate Canada. Wonder if there are any ready and waiting Canadian ladies that can and should be assigned at this 11th hour. No good excuse, as far as I'm concerned, to throw away an opportunity to develop a skater.

More wishful thinking on my part would've seen Mariah Bell get the 11th hour invite. This would give her the chance to qualify for the Grand Prix Final, but the USFSA has reportedly assigned her to the Challenger Series event in Estonia.

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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Maleeva » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:43 pm

Wouldn't skate Canada have to invite Mariah? Not sure the usfsa has control of that invite.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby chuckiem » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:15 pm

Skate Canada won't invite Mariah Bell to SC when as it is, Osmond and Chartrand have a challenge making the podium vs. Medvedeva and Mihayara.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Jonas » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:45 pm

Polina Edmunds has withdrawn from NHK as well. I'm starting to wonder whether she's going to focus on being a full-time college freshman this year.

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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby chuckiem » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:34 pm

ESBRAT / NOVOSELOV have been withdrawn, and MENDOZA / KOVALEV's spot, vacated two weeks ago, was never filled, so now there are only 6 pairs at TDF. And of course Romain Ponsart's spot was left unfilled, too.

Boo on the French Fed. Maybe the GP event should be taken away from them and given to some other federation---like Spain or Germany or South Korea.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Winnipeg » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:28 pm

Give it to Germany!! :D
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Jonas » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:14 pm

Even if the ISU reassigns a Grand Prix event to a different federation, I think the ISU needs to reexamine and reimagine its current scheme to replace withdrawn athletes from the Grand Prix events. There is supposedly a system using World standings, but it is randomly applied at best. What ends up happening is the vacancy ends up not being filled and more often than not there is a viable athlete that, at the very least, should be proactively offered to fill the vacated spot. And yes, perhaps the ISU ought to single out federations for seemingly standing by idly until the event starts. As far as I'm concerned, all Grand Prix rosters ought to be full since ticket prices for these events aren't exactly mere pocket change.

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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby chuckiem » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:50 pm

The rule for filling vacant spots is somewhat complex. Since all three of the French vacancies were host picks, technically, France could leave them vacant----at least the men's spot (Ponsart), because there were still 11 men on the roster.

But IMO, the French fed had NO intention right from the getgo of allowing either of those two Pair teams to compete in Paris. They used them as "filler" so the field wouldn't be too competitive for their one 'real' Pair team, James/Cipres. Then they waited until near the end to withdraw them, one at a time.

But they made one mistake: they withdrew Mendoza / Kovalev on 10/24, 17 days before the official draw of the event. The rule is that withdrawals made more than 10 days before the official draw must be filled. And since Pairs are such a small field, the French Fed was obligated to fill that spot from the substitute list since they did not have any more pairs teams. But of course, they didn't, and then they withdrew Esbrat/Novoselov on 11/7.

No wonder the French fed lost their sponsor. They treat their skaters badly, they thumb their nose at the audiences, and they flout the rules of the ISU. Could it be that the head of the French Fed is getting even with the ISU for not electing him its head? If so, he is cutting off his nose to spite his own face.

It is time to look for another host country to replace the French slot.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby bumphystars » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:13 pm

Fascinating background, Chuckie. Wow, the ISU does no favours to the sport with all of these politics.

What country should get a GP if not France? Germany? Italy?
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Maleeva » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:56 pm

This article confirms the disorganization within the French skating federation:

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/11/07/208026636
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Winnipeg » Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:18 pm

People are surprised about the politics of the French Federation?? Really?? :roll: :roll: Recall judging scandal as one example but anyway.............

Give the French GP event to Germany, Spain or Italy.

WRT the complexity of assigning withdrawals............really now, how can that be so hard to fix. Just fix it! Gee whiz. Every GP event should be filled. Start the season with substitutes ready to go and/or increase the field by 2-3 to account for possible drop outs. The events cost money, are good experience for skaters, help the sport through audience attendance, and as a result the GP process should be optimized for the benefit of the sport/skaters and FS fans!!!

Cut the red tape and get on with it.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Maleeva » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:49 pm

Guess USFS is wishing they gave two GP assignments to Mariah Bell rather than Karen Chen. Hindsight is 20/20. No US ladies in the GP final this year.
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Re: GRAND PRIX ROSTERS 2016-2017

Postby Jonas » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:40 pm

I'm not sure if the USFSA had much control over getting Mariah Bell into the Grand Prix to begin with. Bell finished 12th in St. Paul and wasn't really on the international radar w/any top scores during the Fall '15 season. She certainly made the most of her host assignment to Skate America though. Three medals for three international events -- not bad going into Omaha!!

What should've been an almost sure thing for Wagner qualifying for Marseille ends up a huge let down. 7th in the free and 6th overall -- lowest finish for her in a Grand Prix event ever, I believe. Her performance level in the FS was there, the jumps weren't. The two foots and the underrotation calls really ate at her score. Wagner is 4th right now in the Grand Prix standings and there are four ladies who've also medalled thusfar in the series yet to compete at NHK, so yeap no US lady in Marseille.

Secured for the Final:

PAIRS: Savchenko & Massot, Yu & Jin, Tarasova & Morozov
MEN: Fernandez, Chan, Uno
LADIES: Medvedeva, Radionova, Osmond

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