2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby bumphystars » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:33 am

Ha! Virginia I thought of you as soon as the event finished and perhaps was rethinking my comments from earlier today. :lol:

Also seeing reports of bad ice. But, most likely, it's nerves. Nathan looked nervous, which makes sense at his first Olympic games, and he has so much pressure on him to win. It ain't easy regardless of what time it is, right?
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Virginia » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:05 am

Okay, I'll give you the nerves. Probably a bigger factor than the hour, but still ... can't help!
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby sms29s66 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:50 am

Yikes! I hope Nathan worked the kinks out. I wish they had put Adam in the short and Nathan in the long--but who knows. He might have had nerves anyway. My daughter teaches speech classes at UVa and she said he sounded and looked exactly like her male students do when they are scared to speak in public.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Andy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:31 am

Virginia wrote:Okay, I'll give you the nerves. Probably a bigger factor than the hour, but still ... can't help!


I think it is mainly nerves. My absolutely personal take on the team event is that it is a pointless and meaningless competition. But since the federations must cope with it, they are using the team event to warm skaters up to the real deal. Have them get a taste of the ice, arena, audience, 'olympic fire', before the real competition starts.

In this very sense, I welcome the team event as a general rehearsal before the real show. For the rest, I would not make myself too busy about that, nor I would draw too many conclusions from it.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby sms29s66 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:41 am

I think Nathan gave away the game re: team competition as a warm up when the words "actual competition" slipped out of his mouth. But I hope he isn't subconsciously telling himself that it doesn't matter. The actual competition is not far off!!!!
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Andy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:15 am

sms29s66 wrote:I think Nathan gave away the game re: team competition as a warm up when the words "actual competition" slipped out of his mouth. But I hope he isn't subconsciously telling himself that it doesn't matter. The actual competition is not far off!!!!


Considering that this absurdity was put in place in Sochi with the main idea of granting Plushy another medal, being it a three way toss between US, Canada and Russia, I am not surprised at all by Chen's words.

I am not the biggest Chen's fan, but I do hope he considers this a training and does not get psyched out by the mistakes made during the SP. I want him to arrive to the real deal rested, relaxed and focused, and not bothered by what happened or did not happen during a silly event
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby ihsia » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:06 pm

Virginia wrote:Okay, so the men just finished polishing the ice with their behinds ... ummm, morning skating perchance????



Ha ha ha, now I am with you:)

I guess if I had to take GRE at 10 p.m., no matter where in the world and taking a nap or not, it wouldn't be easy either.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby bumphystars » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:27 pm

Andy wrote:
sms29s66 wrote:I think Nathan gave away the game re: team competition as a warm up when the words "actual competition" slipped out of his mouth. But I hope he isn't subconsciously telling himself that it doesn't matter. The actual competition is not far off!!!!


Considering that this absurdity was put in place in Sochi with the main idea of granting Plushy another medal, being it a three way toss between US, Canada and Russia, I am not surprised at all by Chen's words.

I am not the biggest Chen's fan, but I do hope he considers this a training and does not get psyched out by the mistakes made during the SP. I want him to arrive to the real deal rested, relaxed and focused, and not bothered by what happened or did not happen during a silly event


Andy, I understand what you mean, that the individual events are still deemed more prestigious, but the team event is a real Olympic event, with real medals on the line. Hardly a silly event.

I think they should put the team event at the end of the games, not at the beginning. That way, there is no "saving themselves" for the individual events, and every participant is free to just go out there and give it their all. Not sure why this wasn't considered.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Maleeva » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:12 pm

I agree Bump the team event should go after the individual events.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby sms29s66 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:01 pm

If the team competition is a "real" event with "real" medals, why don't the skaters or anyone else seem to think that way? We never hear Ashley Wagner, for instance, referred to as a bronze medalist except maybe once in a blue moon and, of course, it's always qualified as the "team" event to put it in its proper, lesser place.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby tennisfan » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:41 am

sms29s66 wrote:If the team competition is a "real" event with "real" medals, why don't the skaters or anyone else seem to think that way? We never hear Ashley Wagner, for instance, referred to as a bronze medalist except maybe once in a blue moon and, of course, it's always qualified as the "team" event to put it in its proper, lesser place.

Yeah right. It's on her Twitter account. It's on her Instagram account. It's mentioned every time she gets introduced. She loves being an Olympic Bronze medalist.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby tennisfan » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:41 am

Maleeva wrote:I agree Bump the team event should go after the individual events.

And change the scoring - the short programs are the competition at this point.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby sms29s66 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:07 am

tennisfan wrote:
sms29s66 wrote:If the team competition is a "real" event with "real" medals, why don't the skaters or anyone else seem to think that way? We never hear Ashley Wagner, for instance, referred to as a bronze medalist except maybe once in a blue moon and, of course, it's always qualified as the "team" event to put it in its proper, lesser place.

Yeah right. It's on her Twitter account. It's on her Instagram account. It's mentioned every time she gets introduced. She loves being an Olympic Bronze medalist.


Maybe I'd better pay closer attention. All I recall is her constant harping on the one medal she doesn't have--Olympic. And I truly don't remember it being mentioned by anyone introducing her.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby tennisfan » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:54 pm

sms29s66 wrote:Maybe I'd better pay closer attention. All I recall is her constant harping on the one medal she doesn't have--Olympic. And I truly don't remember it being mentioned by anyone introducing her.

No worries. It usually depends on the competition, but it's definitely part of the skater introductions done during the warm-up. An Olympic medal is an Olympics medal, though the Team Event does create some odd ones - Kevin Reynolds, Marissa Castelli & Simon Shnapir to mention a few.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby ihsia » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:40 pm

Just noticed last night the TV commercial with Ashley Wagner credited her as the US Olympic medalist:)
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby sms29s66 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:44 pm

Again, I didn't hear it!!!! I must have a mental block on the subject. :!:
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm

START ORDER PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM Wed Feb 14 10 am local time / Tue Feb 13 8 pm EST

1 Kyueun KIM / Alex Kang Chan KAM KOR
2 Ekaterina ALEXANDROVSKAYA / Harley WINDSOR AUS
3 Miu SUZAKI / Ryuichi KIHARA JPN

4 Paige CONNERS / Evgeni KRASNOPOLSKI ISR
5 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT
6 Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR CZE

*** *** *** *** *** *** ZAMBONI *** *** *** *** *** ***

7 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV OAR
8 Annika HOCKE / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER
9 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN CHN
10 Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM PRK

11 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN
12 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN
13 Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM USA
14 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN

*** *** *** *** *** *** ZAMBONI *** *** *** *** *** ***

15 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA
16 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
17 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
18 Valentina MARCHEI / Andrei HOTAREK ITA

19 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN
20 Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT OAR
21 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT GER
22 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV OAR

Tech Team

Ref Zonnekeyn BEL
TC Sierocka POL
TS Briggs GBR
ATS Sand USA

Judges: TBA at start of competition

TOP 16 PAIRS QUALIFY FOR FREESKATE.
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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:12 am

RESULTS PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM

1 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 82.39 44.49 37.90 9.36 9.32 9.61 9.50 9.57 0.00 17
2 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV OAR 81.68 43.97 37.71 9.46 9.25 9.54 9.50 9.39 0.00 22
3 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN 76.82 41.26 35.56 8.89 8.64 8.89 9.00 9.04 0.00 19
4 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT GER 76.59 39.16 37.43 9.29 9.18 9.32 9.46 9.54 0.00 21
5 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN 75.58 42.10 33.48 8.39 8.29 8.46 8.50 8.21 0.00 12
6 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA 75.34 40.67 34.67 8.64 8.43 8.89 8.68 8.71 0.00 15
7 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 74.50 40.36 34.14 8.32 8.29 8.68 8.68 8.71 0.00 18
8 Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT OAR 74.35 40.13 34.22 8.68 8.25 8.64 8.57 8.64 0.00 20
9 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 74.00 40.41 33.59 8.43 8.25 8.46 8.46 8.39 0.00 16
10 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV OAR 70.52 38.93 31.59 7.89 7.71 8.00 7.96 7.93 0.00 7
11 Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM PRK 69.40 38.79 30.61 7.61 7.36 7.86 7.71 7.71 0.00 10
12 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN 67.52 35.63 31.89 7.96 7.79 8.04 8.04 8.04 0.00 14
13 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN 65.68 34.46 31.22 7.89 7.64 7.68 7.96 7.86 0.00 11
14 Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM USA 65.55 34.18 31.37 7.96 7.54 7.82 7.89 8.00 0.00 13
15 Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR CZE 63.25 34.62 28.63 7.18 7.04 7.11 7.29 7.18 0.00 6
16 Annika HOCKE / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 63.04 34.61 28.43 7.11 6.96 7.18 7.11 7.18 0.00 8

FINAL NOT REACHED:
17 Cheng PENG / Yang JIN CHN 62.61 33.50 30.11 7.64 7.46 7.50 7.61 7.43 1.00 9
18 Ekaterina ALEXANDROVSKAYA / Harley WINDSOR AUS 61.55 34.70 26.85 7.00 6.64 6.75 6.71 6.46 0.00 2
19 Paige CONNERS / Evgeni KRASNOPOLSKI ISR 60.35 34.26 26.09 6.54 6.32 6.68 6.57 6.50 0.00 4
20 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT 58.80 31.71 28.09 7.07 6.93 6.96 7.07 7.07 1.00 5
21 Miu SUZAKI / Ryuichi KIHARA JPN 57.74 32.89 24.85 6.39 5.96 6.29 6.25 6.18 0.00 3
22 Kyueun KIM / Alex Kang Chan KAM KOR 42.93 21.04 22.89 6.04 5.54 5.57 5.79 5.68 1.00 1

JUDGES FOR PAIRS SP: AUS CHN FRA ISR CAN HUN GER ITA FIN

START ORDER PAIRS FREESKATE Thu Feb 15 10:30 am Local time / Wed Feb 14 8:30 pm EST

1 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Michael MARINARO CAN
2 Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM USA
3 Anna DUSKOVA / Martin BIDAR CZE
4 Annika HOCKE / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER

5 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN
6 Tae Ok RYOM / Ju Sik KIM PRK
7 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA
8 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV OAR

*** *** *** *** *** *** ZAMBONI *** *** *** *** *** ***

9 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA
10 Natalia ZABIIAKO / Alexander ENBERT OAR
11 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA
12 Xiaoyu YU / Hao ZHANG CHN

13 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Bruno MASSOT GER
14 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN
15 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
16 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV OAR

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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby Jonas » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:09 pm

I'm going to make it a point to watch the live web stream tonight instead. NBC only showed the Knierims and bits and pieces of the last two groups.

Bronze medal position and 9th place are separated by a mere 2.82 points! Based on what I saw last night I tend to agree with that narrow spread. Personally, I would've even had Marchei & Hotarek and James & Cipres skating in the final group along w/Sui & Han and Tarasova & Morozov -- I really, really would! I'm sure someone will argue, and probably correctly, the relative inferiority of some of their individual pairs elements and/or that they skate slower. I'm sorry, but I didn't see that at all: to me, both of these teams PERFORMED and NAILED their elements better than the teams sitting in 3rd and 4th places. I think this is another case of the performance as a whole being greater than the sum of the technical elements and program components.

Savchenko & Massot's SP was actually the most disappointing performances for me last night. That program, when executed perfectly, is absolutely dynamite. Kudos to them for trying valiantly to sustain the performance, but a lot of the energy was zapped out since everyone knew that mistake was very, very costly. Sadly, their Olympic Gold Medal chances got flushed down the toilet in a matter of a second with Massot's doubled Salchow. :cry: I was really looking forward to them dueling w/Sui & Han for the big prize and having them come out victorious, but I think Savchenko is headed for a third Olympic bronze medal, at best.

Duhamel & Radford looked slow to me and their elements weren't exactly sharp: their sbs 3Lutz were way off synch and the throw 3Lutz had a clear touchdown of her second foot. I can't imagine how the judges could've missed those glitches. When they're not perfectly on technically, I think it exacerbates the fact that Duhamel is not a natural performer. Johnny Weir said as much. She executes the choreography, but it often comes across as contrived. They lack that natural charisma and ability to draw you in to their performance in the same way that Sui & Han have really learned to do or even how Marchei & Hotarek performed last night.

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Re: 2018 Pyeongchang KOREA WINTER OLYMPICS

Postby chuckiem » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:01 pm

Duhamel/Radford have the same problem as Tarasova/Morozov: the lady has to be the "performer" of the pair as the man is the stoic non-performer, and neither Meagan nor Evgenia is an outstanding 'natural' performer.
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