2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:27 am

START ORDER MEN SHORT PROGRAM Fri Oct 20 2 pm local time / 7 am EDT

1 Andrei LAZUKIN RUS
2 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO
3 Denis TEN KAZ
4 Nam NGUYEN CAN
5 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA
6 Misha GE UZB

7 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT
8 Dmitri ALIEV RUS
9 Daniel SAMOHIN ISR
10 Nathan CHEN USA
11 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS
12 Yuzuru HANYU JPN

Tech Team

Ref Serova-BLR
TC Laaksonen-FIN
TS Gusmeroli-FRA
ATS Markova-RUS

Judges: LAT RUS JPN KAZ ISR USA CAN UZB FRA

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START ORDER SHORT DANCE Fri Oct 20 4pm local time / 9 am EDT

1 Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS
2 Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN CZE
3 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR
4 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LEGAC FRA
5 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA

6 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS
7 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
8 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
9 Alex SHIBUTANI / Maia SHIBUTANI USA
10 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS


Tech Team

Ref Ceccattini-ITA
TC Leaver-USA
TS Samokhin-RUS
ATS MacDonald-AUS

Judges: BLR TUR RUS FRA CAN USA ITA CZE ISR

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START ORDER PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM Fri Oct 20 6:30 pm local time / 11:30 am EDT

1 Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET JPN
2 Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN USA
3 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT
4 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS

5 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA
6 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN
7 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS
8 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS

Tech Team

Ref Serova-BLR
TC Vuylsteker-FRA
TS Goldstein-USA
ATS Kokoev-RUS

Judges: RUS CAN KOR ISR LAT JPN ITA USA CZE

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START ORDER LADIES SHORT PROGRAM Fri Oct 20 8 pm local time / 1 pm EDT

1 Valeriia MIKHAILOVA RUS
2 Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM
3 Nicole SCHOTT GER
4 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA
5 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN
6 Carolina KOSTNER ITA

7 Mariah BELL USA
8 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN
9 Elena RADIONOVA RUS
10 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ
11 Mirai NAGASU USA
12 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS

Tech Team

Ref Serova-BLR
TC Laaksonen-FIN
TS Horoscakova-SVK
ATS Gusmeroli-FRA

Judges: RUS USA KOR FRA UZB CAN BLR KAZ ITA

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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:54 pm

RESULTS MEN SHORT PROGRAM

1 Nathan CHEN USA 100.54 57.57 42.97 8.61 8.39 8.61 8.57 8.79 0.00 10 4z+3t, 4f, 3a
2 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 94.85 49.24 46.61 9.43 9.18 9.21 9.43 9.36 1.00 12 4lo<, 3a, 4t+3t↓
3 Dmitri ALIEV RUS 88.77 48.45 40.32 8.18 7.89 8.14 8.07 8.04 0.00 8 3z+3t, 4t, 3a
4 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 85.79 42.19 43.60 8.96 8.54 8.68 8.71 8.71 0.00 11 3z, 4t-nc, 3a
5 Misha GE UZB 85.02 43.39 41.63 8.07 8.00 8.46 8.39 8.71 0.00 6 3a, 3z+3t, 3f
6 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 82.44 42.33 40.11 7.96 7.79 8.11 8.07 8.18 0.00 7 3z+3t, 3f, 3a
7 Nam NGUYEN CAN 80.74 45.41 36.33 7.46 7.00 7.29 7.29 7.29 1.00 4 4s+3t, 4t↓, 3a
8 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO 80.67 44.66 37.01 7.54 7.29 7.36 7.39 7.43 1.00 2 3a, 4s+2t, 4t↓
9 Andrei LAZUKIN RUS 78.54 42.47 36.07 7.21 7.00 7.36 7.25 7.25 0.00 1 4t+2t, 3a, 3f
10 Denis TEN KAZ 69.00 29.82 41.18 8.36 8.00 8.00 8.39 8.43 2.00 3 4s<, 4t<<↓-nc, 3a↓
11 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 67.56 31.33 37.23 7.61 7.36 7.29 7.43 7.54 1.00 5 4t↓, 3a, 3ze+2t
12 Daniel SAMOHIN ISR 62.02 25.37 36.65 7.54 7.18 7.07 7.43 7.43 0.00 9 4s-hd-so, 3a, 2t*-nc, stb fw

START ORDER FREE SKATE Sat Oct 21 1:30 pm local time / 6:30 am EDT

1 Denis TEN KAZ
2 Daniel SAMOHIN ISR
3 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA
4 Andrei LAZUKIN RUS
5 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO
6 Nam NGUYEN CAN

7 Misha GE UZB
8 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS
9 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT
10 Dmitri ALIEV RUS
11 Yuzuru HANYU JPN
12 Nathan CHEN USA

Tech Team and Judges same as for SP.

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RESULTS SHORT DANCE

1 Alex SHIBUTANI / Maia SHIBUTANI USA 77.30 40.23 37.07 9.21 9.07 9.36 9.32 9.36 0.00 9
2 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 76.33 39.47 36.86 9.18 9.04 9.32 9.21 9.32 0.00 10
3 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS 71.32 36.38 34.94 8.68 8.57 8.89 8.75 8.79 0.00 6
4 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 69.67 35.70 33.97 8.46 8.39 8.57 8.46 8.57 0.00 7
5 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 68.99 35.62 33.37 8.29 8.25 8.46 8.29 8.43 0.00 8
6 Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS 64.14 34.13 30.01 7.54 7.36 7.54 7.50 7.57 0.00 1
7 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA 59.41 29.29 30.12 7.68 7.43 7.36 7.61 7.57 0.00 5
8 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LEGAC FRA 55.64 28.72 27.92 7.00 6.86 6.96 7.04 7.04 1.00 4
9 Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN CZE 54.39 27.99 26.40 6.57 6.36 6.75 6.64 6.68 0.00 2
10 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 53.11 24.68 28.43 7.11 6.93 7.14 7.25 7.11 0.00 3

START ORDER FREE DANCE Sat Oct 21 3:45 pm local time / 8:45 am EDT

1 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR
2 Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN CZE
3 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LEGAC FRA
4 Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS
5 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA

6 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN
7 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA
8 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS
9 Alex SHIBUTANI / Maia SHIBUTANI USA
10 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS

Tech Team and Judges same as for SP.

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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby Jonas » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:56 pm

MEN'S SP:

Nathan Chen wins the SP on the strenght of his technical score -- his jumping passes were more difficult than Hanyu's and Chen executed them more cleanly. Hanyu beats Chen in PCS, which I agree with, but the gap is narrowing, which I also agree with. Chen's SP plays to his strengths and just comes together as a well put together overall package. Well done.

I could've sworn I saw Mikhail Kolyada do a gorgeous 4Lutz in the warmup, but just a solo 3Lutz in the actual SP and fell out of his 4toe AND no combo, so no credit for the attempt. His score would be right up there in the low to mid 90s had the quad combo happened. He has higher PCS than Chen, which I do agree with.

Very well done also to Dmitri Aliev in his Grand Prix debut. Flirting w/90 points with an SP that only includes a solo 4toe.

I'll also say that any worries that the ISU may have about losing "artistry" to a quad jumping contest should be alleviated after watching this event. Good overall skating is still being rewarded by this judging system. For example, Nam Nguyen, even had he landed the 4toe, probably still would've fallen short of Aliev's score. Vassiljevs and Ge were rewarded for quadless, but clean and well performed programs. Grant Hochstein, as slummy as his jumps were, was still given higher PCS than some of the guys that managed quads. That's of course presuming that the judges are marking fairly, and I gotta say, in this case it was.

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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:00 pm

RESULTS PAIRS SHORT PROGRAM

1 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS 76.88 39.94 36.94 9.29 9.07 9.39 9.25 9.18 0.00 8
2 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 71.39 36.36 36.03 9.14 8.89 8.82 9.07 9.11 1.00 7
3 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN 67.06 35.99 31.07 7.82 7.57 7.86 7.82 7.75 0.00 6
4 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 68.48 36.13 32.35 7.96 7.79 8.29 8.11 8.29 0.00 5
5 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS 67.14 36.54 30.60 7.61 7.54 7.68 7.71 7.71 0.00 4
6 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT 59.35 30.93 28.42 7.14 6.86 7.18 7.18 7.18 0.00 3
7 Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN USA 54.37 27.07 28.30 7.14 6.89 7.04 7.14 7.18 1.00 2
8 Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET JPN 48.93 24.12 24.81 6.32 6.11 6.11 6.29 6.18 0.00 1


START ORDER PAIRS FREE SKATE Sat Oct 21 5:35 pm local time / 10:35 am EDT

1 Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET JPN
2 Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN USA
3 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT
4 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN

5 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA
6 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS
7 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS
8 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS

Tech Team and Judges same as for SP

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RESULTS LADIES SHORT PROGRAM

1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS 80.75 42.69 38.06 9.36 9.43 9.64 9.54 9.61 0.00 12 3f+3t, 3lo, 2a
2 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 74.62 37.93 36.69 8.96 8.96 9.32 9.25 9.36 0.00 6 3t+3t, 3lo, 2a
3 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 69.60 36.26 33.34 8.32 8.14 8.46 8.36 8.39 0.00 8 2a, 3z+3t<, 3f!
4 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 68.88 38.59 30.29 7.57 7.50 7.54 7.68 7.57 0.00 5 3f+3t, 3lo, 2a
5 Elena RADIONOVA RUS 68.75 34.21 34.54 8.50 8.43 8.71 8.75 8.79 0.00 9 3z+3t<, 3f!, 2a
6 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 63.92 32.71 31.21 7.75 7.68 7.86 7.86 7.86 0.00 10 3s+3t, 3lo<, 2a
7 Mariah BELL USA 63.85 34.05 29.80 7.39 7.32 7.54 7.46 7.54 0.00 7 3z+3t<, 3f, 2a
8 Valeriia MIKHAILOVA RUS 63.38 35.38 28.00 7.00 6.79 7.14 7.00 7.07 0.00 1 3z!+3t, 3lo, 2a
9 Mirai NAGASU USA 56.15 27.91 30.24 7.86 7.29 7.54 7.61 7.50 2.00 11 3a<, 3f+3t<<↓, 3z<↓
10 Nicole SCHOTT GER 55.55 27.99 27.56 6.89 6.75 6.96 6.96 6.89 0.00 3 3t+3t, 1lo*, 2a
11 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 54.24 28.93 26.31 6.50 6.32 6.71 6.64 6.71 1.00 4 3f+3t<↓, 3lo, 2a
12 Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM 48.10 24.04 26.06 6.54 6.36 6.43 6.61 6.64 2.00 2 3z↓, 3f!+2t, 2a


START ORDER LADIES FREE SKATE Sat Oct 21 7:20 pm local time / 12:20 pm EDT

1 Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM
2 Nicole SCHOTT GER
3 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA
4 Mariah BELL USA
5 Mirai NAGASU USA
6 Valeriia MIKHAILOVA RUS

7 Elena RADIONOVA RUS
8 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ
9 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN
10 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN
11 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS
12 Carolina KOSTNER ITA

Tech Team and Judges same as for SP

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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby Jonas » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:28 pm

Comments on the Ladies SP:

Kaori Sakamoto skated great and the audience was equally thrilled for her. From a technical standpoint, I think she's equally as strong as her countrywoman Wakaba Higuchi here.

Carolina Kostner followed suit with a sophisticated performance of her own. Her line is unmatched. Because she went clean, I have no issues w/her marks here. It'll be interesting to see if she has planned and can execute enough technical content hold off the Japanese duo here.

Mariah Bell skated a little nervously here, but good fight on the 3Lutz-3toe, albeit visibly underrotated.

Mirai Nagasu: OK...honestly, the first few strokes of her program, it looked like she forgot what element was coming up. Stood up a creditable 3Axel, but then went on to flub the combo and solo 3Lutz. None of her jumping passes received full base value: all carrots. On top of the jump miscues, the performance was once again completely devoid of connection. Sad thing is Mirai looks like she's in great shape and is very determined. <<Sigh>>

Medvedeva skated right after Mirai using the same music. Performance was like clockwork as were the scores she received after. Yeah it won here, but 80??

Your thoughts...
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:01 pm

I watched CoR on the Olympic channel and Ryan Bradley commented at the start of the Ladies event that Mirai's 3A could be a great asset----or a major distraction.

Unfortunately, the latter proved to be true for Mirai. Competition nerves are at full strength at GP events. She seems to be able to handle those nerves much better at Senior Bs and Challenges which have huge fields and fewer top competitors. Pressure will be even greater at Nationals this year, with an Olympic berth at risk. Going for the 3a at Nationals could be just as disastrous as it was at CoR.

I thought the Japanese ladies were great and the caller was unnecessarily picky with Higuchi.
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:03 pm

RESULTS MEN FREE SKATE

1 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 195.92 101.54 94.38 9.54 9.18 9.43 9.50 9.54 0.00 11 4z, 3lo, 3f, 4s, 2t, 4t+3t, 3a+2t, 3a
2 Nathan CHEN USA 193.25 104.85 88.40 8.96 8.57 8.89 8.89 8.89 0.00 12 4z+3t, 4f, 4s, 4t+2t+2lo, 2t, 3a, 3a+2t<*, 3z
3 Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 185.27 100.27 89.00 9.07 8.75 8.75 9.00 8.93 4.00 8 4z↓, 4s↓, 3a, 4t+3t, 3a+2t, 3z+lo+3s, 3lo, 3z↓
4 Misha GE UZB 170.31 85.39 84.92 8.21 8.18 8.71 8.61 8.75 0.00 7 3a+lo+3s, 3a, 3f, 3z+3t, 3z, 3lo, 2a+2t, 2a
5 Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO 169.59 90.95 78.64 7.89 7.61 8.00 7.86 7.96 0.00 5 3a, 4s, 4t+3t, 4t, 3f+2t, 3lo, 3f, 2a+1lo+3s
6 Nam NGUYEN CAN 157.71 83.43 75.28 7.64 7.21 7.64 7.61 7.54 1.00 6 4t, 4s<↓, 3a, 2s, 3a+3t, 3lo, 3f+2t+2lo, 3z!+3t
7 Dmitri ALIEV RUS 150.84 73.56 81.28 8.32 8.04 7.89 8.25 8.14 4.00 10 4z<, 3f, 4t+2t, 4t<↓, 3a↓, 3lo+lo+3s, 3a<↓+rep, 3z, 0 CSSp
8 Denis TEN KAZ 145.35 62.99 83.36 8.43 8.04 8.18 8.46 8.57 1.00 1 4s<↓, 4t<, 3a, 3s, 1a+2t, 3lo, 3t, 2a
9 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 145.09 65.29 80.80 7.96 7.86 8.04 8.25 8.29 1.00 9 3a<, 4t<<, 3a↓+rep, 3lo, 3z+3t, 2a, 3f, 3z+lo+2s
10 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 138.53 66.11 74.42 7.57 7.32 7.21 7.57 7.54 2.00 3 4t↓, 3a<, 3t, 3a<↓+rep, 3z+1lo+3s, 3lo, 3f+2t, 3t+2t
11 Andrei LAZUKIN RUS 133.60 64.40 71.20 7.32 6.89 7.04 7.14 7.21 2.00 4 4t↓, 4t+2t, 3a^2a, 3a<↓, 3f+2t+2lo, 2z, 3lo, 3s
12 Daniel SAMOHIN ISR 121.77 52.39 72.38 7.54 7.11 6.89 7.29 7.36 3.00 2 4t, 4s↓, 3a↓, 1a, 3z+2t, 3z, 1lo, 2a, time


FINAL STANDINGS MEN

1 - Nathan CHEN USA 293.79 1 2
2 - Yuzuru HANYU JPN 290.77 2 1
3 - Mikhail KOLYADA RUS 271.06 4 3
4 - Misha GE UZB 255.33 5 4
5 - Moris KVITELASHVILI GEO 250.26 8 5
6 - Dmitri ALIEV RUS 239.61 3 7
7 - Nam NGUYEN CAN 238.45 7 6
8 - Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 227.53 6 9
9 - Denis TEN KAZ 214.35 10 8
10 - Andrei LAZUKIN RUS 212.14 9 11
11 - Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 206.09 11 10
12 - Daniel SAMOHIN ISR 183.79 12 12

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RESULTS FREE DANCE

1 Alex SHIBUTANI / Maia SHIBUTANI USA 111.94 56.01 55.93 9.39 9.21 9.36 9.36 9.29 0.00 9
2 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 108.41 52.94 55.47 9.18 9.04 9.29 9.32 9.39 0.00 8
3 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS 108.03 55.23 52.80 8.75 8.61 8.89 8.79 8.96 0.00 10
4 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 102.62 51.95 50.67 8.50 8.29 8.46 8.43 8.54 0.00 6
5 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 102.38 51.29 51.09 8.43 8.36 8.64 8.46 8.68 0.00 7
6 Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS 99.88 52.48 47.40 7.86 7.68 7.96 7.89 8.11 0.00 4
7 Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LEGAC FRA 91.55 47.65 43.90 7.36 7.18 7.32 7.43 7.29 0.00 3
8 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA 89.34 43.52 45.82 7.75 7.50 7.61 7.64 7.68 0.00 5
9 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 87.68 44.30 43.38 7.25 7.00 7.25 7.29 7.36 0.00 1
10 Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN CZE 82.42 41.87 40.55 6.61 6.50 6.93 6.89 6.86 0.00 2

FINAL STANDINGS ICE DANCE

1 - Alex SHIBUTANI / Maia SHIBUTANI USA 189.24 1 1
2 - Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 184.74 2 2
3 - Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS 179.35 3 3
4 - Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 172.29 4 4
5 - Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 171.37 5 5
6 - Betina POPOVA / Sergey MOZGOV RUS 164.02 6 6
7 - Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA 148.75 7 8
8 - Marie-Jade LAURIAULT / Romain LEGAC FRA 147.19 8 7
9 - Alisa AGAFONOVA / Alper UCAR TUR 140.79 10 9
10 - Nicole KUZMICHOVA / Alexandr SINICYN CZE 136.81 9 10

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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:11 pm

PAIRS FREE SKATE RESULTS

1 Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS 147.37 73.79 74.58 9.36 9.11 9.46 9.29 9.39 1.00 8
2 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 133.04 62.23 72.81 9.11 9.07 8.79 9.29 9.25 2.00 7
3 Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS 131.97 67.46 64.51 8.00 7.89 8.11 8.14 8.18 0.00 6
4 Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 125.15 62.70 64.45 7.93 7.86 8.14 8.14 8.21 2.00 5
5 Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN 119.10 57.69 61.41 7.71 7.50 7.64 7.82 7.71 0.00 4
6 Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN USA 116.16 57.54 58.62 7.36 7.14 7.29 7.46 7.39 0.00 2
7 Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT 115.71 57.49 58.22 7.32 7.11 7.32 7.32 7.32 0.00 3
8 Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET JPN 87.87 39.14 48.73 6.25 6.00 6.00 6.14 6.07 0.00 1


FINAL STANDINGS PAIRS

1 - Evgenia TARASOVA / Vladimir MOROZOV RUS 224.25 1 1
2 - Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 204.43 2 2
3 - Kristina ASTAKHOVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS 199.11 4 3
4 - Valentina MARCHEI / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 193.63 3 4
5 - Julianne SEGUIN / Charlie BILODEAU CAN 186.16 5 5
6 - Miriam ZIEGLER / Severin KIEFER AUT 175.06 6 7
7 - Marissa CASTELLI / Mervin TRAN USA 170.53 7 6
8 - Sumire SUTO / Francis BOUDREAU-AUDET JPN 136.80 8 8

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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby sms29s66 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:02 am

Ryan Bradley is hilarious--the skater is sliding around on his butt and Ryan remarks that the judges are going to review that landing!
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby rosima » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:47 am

They are killing the sport by awarding 100.27 in TSS to Kolyada for such a poor performance. 3 falls and some shaky landings should not be rewarded with such a high score.
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby tennisfan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:27 am

rosima wrote:They are killing the sport by awarding 100.27 in TSS to Kolyada for such a poor performance. 3 falls and some shaky landings should not be rewarded with such a high score.

The total does seem very high but he did attempt 3 quads including a 4Lz, landed 2 3A's and 4 other triples. He also got level 4 on all his other elements with positive GOE. I don't think the judges are killing the sport.
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby Maleeva » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:44 pm

Can anyone help me understand how one judge could possibly give Medvedeva three 10s for Performance, Composition and Interpretation, when she fell on her 2 Axel?

Doesn't 10 still mean perfect?
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:51 pm

LADIES FREE SKATE

1 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS 150.46 75.35 76.11 9.39 9.39 9.57 9.61 9.61 1.00 11 3f+3t, 3z, 3f, 3lo, 2a+2t+2t, 3s+3t, 2a↓-laughing
2 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 141.36 68.09 73.27 8.93 8.93 9.36 9.25 9.32 0.00 12 3f+2t, 3f, 3lo, 3t, 2a+1lo+3s, 2a, 3s+2t
3 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 137.57 69.37 68.20 8.50 8.36 8.61 8.61 8.54 0.00 10 2a, 3z+3t, 2s, 3z+3t, 3lo, 2a+2t+2lo, 3f
4 Elena RADIONOVA RUS 126.77 58.84 68.93 8.54 8.36 8.82 8.61 8.75 1.00 7 3z+3t<, 3f!, ↓steps, 3z+1lo+3s, 3f!+2t, 2a, lo, 2a
5 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 125.12 62.46 63.66 7.93 7.75 7.96 8.18 7.96 1.00 9 3f↓, 3s, 3ze, 3f+3t, 2a+3t+2t, 3lo, 2a+2t
6 Mariah BELL USA 124.71 64.37 60.34 7.61 7.25 7.71 7.57 7.57 0.00 4 3z+3t, 3lo, 2a, 2a+lo+3s-so, 3z, 3f+2t, 3f
7 Mirai NAGASU USA 122.10 61.64 60.46 7.86 7.25 7.57 7.57 7.54 0.00 5 3a<, 3f+3t, 3s<, 2a+3t<, 3z, 3lo, 3lo+2t+2t
8 Valeriia MIKHAILOVA RUS 121.71 63.52 59.19 7.32 7.14 7.57 7.43 7.54 1.00 6 2a+1lo+3f, 3z!, 2a+3t, 3f, 3lo+2t, 3lo, 3s ↓ steps
9 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 121.03 58.01 63.02 7.79 7.71 8.04 7.89 7.96 0.00 8 3lo, 3z, 3f+2t, 3s, 3s+2t, 2a, 2a
10 Nicole SCHOTT GER 113.17 57.03 56.14 7.11 6.79 7.04 7.04 7.11 0.00 2 3f+1t, 3t+3t, 3f, 3s+2t+2lo, 3lo, 2a, 2a
11 Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM 106.80 53.31 53.49 6.68 6.21 6.96 6.79 6.79 0.00 1 3z+2t, 3f!, 2a, 3lo, 3s+2t<+2lo, 3t<^2a, 3s
12 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 106.72 53.65 53.07 6.57 6.32 6.82 6.71 6.75 0.00 3 2a, 3f+3t, 3z, 3lo, 2a+3t, 3z<+rep, 3s


FINAL STANDINGS - LADIES

1 - Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS 231.21 1 1
2 - Carolina KOSTNER ITA 215.98 2 2
3 - Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN 207.17 3 3
4 - Elena RADIONOVA RUS 195.52 5 4
5 - Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN 194.00 4 5
6 - Mariah BELL USA 188.56 7 6
7 - Valeriia MIKHAILOVA RUS 185.09 8 8
8 - Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ 184.95 6 9
9 - Mirai NAGASU USA 178.25 9 7
10 - Nicole SCHOTT GER 168.72 10 10
11 - Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 160.96 11 12
12 - Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM 154.90 12 11

Loved Kostner's FS---so elegant and beautifully skated. Higuchi was impressive, too. Glad to see the tech team didn't crush her as they did in the SP. Lizbet T. always looks as if she is trying to get through her program as fast as possible. No wonder she left off all her 3/3s---she didn't allow herself enough time to do them. Medvedeva wasn't quite as perfect as usual, but then it doesn't seem to matter.

IMO, Mirai needs to reconsider that 3a. 3a will not magically zoom her to the top echelon of skaters if she can't get it all the way around in the air and land on one foot. But TES is only half of the equation. Even if she could fully rotate the 3a and all her other jumps, underperforming all her programs with a blank face and no connection to the music won't get her PCS scores out of the mid7s where they have been since 2010.
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby rosima » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:10 pm

tennisfan wrote:
rosima wrote:They are killing the sport by awarding 100.27 in TSS to Kolyada for such a poor performance. 3 falls and some shaky landings should not be rewarded with such a high score.

The total does seem very high but he did attempt 3 quads including a 4Lz, landed 2 3A's and 4 other triples. He also got level 4 on all his other elements with positive GOE. I don't think the judges are killing the sport.

I do understand that they have marked the attempts. However, in my humbled opinion, the program has a whole should be considered. Having been given the second highest PCS marks makes no sense to me. But I do agree that saying “they are killing the sport” may have been a bit strong. As a figure skating fan for more than 50 years, it just makes me sad that reputation sometimes takes precedence to real performance. :D :D :D
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby chuckiem » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:36 pm

Home ice advantage happens, and it is not killing sport.

Kolyada is the best male skater in Russia, and he got home ice advantage PCS scores. Evgenia got huge scores for her imperfect skate, but after all she has been the worlds best skater for the past 3 years, so why shouldn't she be a tad overscored on home ice? Chan gets overscored on home ice no matter how he skates, and you know Nathan Chen will get much higher PCS scores at Skate America.

It isn't as if Misha Ge had any chance to pass Kolyada for the bronze medal. If you deflated Mikhail's PCS scores to be even with Misha's, Mikhail would still beat Misha on TES---100 to 85, even with -4 off the 100 for falls (96 to 85). By the same token, as wonderful as Kostner's FS was, technically it couldn't compare to Evgenia's, even with the fall.

OTOH, Radionova received no special treatment and was hit with edge calls on both flips as well as with a ur on her 3/3, while Higuchi's FS went unscathed by the tech team.
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby tennisfan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:17 pm

Maleeva wrote:Can anyone help me understand how one judge could possibly give Medvedeva three 10s for Performance, Composition and Interpretation, when she fell on her 2 Axel?

Doesn't 10 still mean perfect?

Come on. You know 10 never meant perfect and you can't be surprised that Medvedeva got those kind of marks in Russia. I'm sure by the Olympics she'll be getting scores close to 170.
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby sms29s66 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:22 am

tennisfan wrote:
Maleeva wrote:Can anyone help me understand how one judge could possibly give Medvedeva three 10s for Performance, Composition and Interpretation, when she fell on her 2 Axel?

Doesn't 10 still mean perfect?

Come on. You know 10 never meant perfect and you can't be surprised that Medvedeva got those kind of marks in Russia. I'm sure by the Olympics she'll be getting scores close to 170.


I remember commentary back in the days of the 6.0 scores that a fall which does not affect the flow of the program or reflect an inability to perform the element might be overlooked by the judges when figuring the second mark.

Also, so long as the podium results are correct, does it really matter? Re: the Russian men, it occurred to me that the judges were trying to promote one skater over the other. I don't particularly care which Russian male skater dominates in their nationals. (I would, of course, be delighted if Evgenia somehow manages to piss off her federation!)
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby Jonas » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:51 pm

RE: Mikhail Kolyada -- With three different quads planned (Lutz, Salchow, and toe), his starting base value is pretty high up there. Looking at the Grades of Execution, he hedges some of the lost points from the falls with some good positive grades on some of the other elements: 4toe-3toe in the bonus and the choreographic sequence in particular.

I think I'm in the minority here, but I really enjoy this guy's skating and dare I say that if he can nail his planned content, I think he can spoil that podium party in Pyeongchang. (BTW, right now I predict the men's podium to consist of Hanyu, Chen, and Uno in any order.) His jumps, when he lands them have an effortless, swishy quality. Rotations are completed in the air and many don't have as much set up as Nathan Chen's does. I also agree that his PCS should, at the very least, be in line w/Chen's.

All in all I think the judges got the men's event just right.

I only caught the final group of ladies FS, but I'd say the results were correct there too. Wakaba Higuchi was the highlight for me. She is putting forth additional effort in improving her "artistry." I think she's definitely paying more attention to the music and this program plays to her strengths, I think, and not tempers them as we've seen w/many a powerhouse ladies' skater. I would love to see both Wakaba and Kaori Sakamoto add 3Axels later in the season!

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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby sms29s66 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:35 pm

Jonas, I like Kolyada, too. Obviously he has a long way to go to compete with the really top skaters, but he has potential. I also like his program. But it always tickles me to hear about "planned" content when trying to justify inflated scoring.
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Re: 2017 GP #1 ROSTELECOM CUP 10/20-22 Moscow RUS

Postby Jonas » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:28 pm

I'm not trying to justify Kolyada's "inflated" score; I'm simply referencing his scorecard. The system is what it is -- it assigns base values for various elements and Kolyada's planned content is up there, so his starting base value is pretty high. He rightfully lost 10+ points on the technical side plus another 4 points in program components for the three falls he had, but the other elements that he did very well got decent positive grades.

Believe me, I totally understand people's gripes because, yes, many times this Code of Points system often does not reward programs that are as a whole greater than the sum of its parts. In other words, skaters are often rewarded when they can amass larger sums of points for disparately well executed elements/components over a well executed all-around program!

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